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1 | Luke 17:4 is in conflict with 17:3 | Luke 17:3 | Pete2 | 120324 | ||
How about "Luke 17:4 "And if he sins against you seven times a day, and returns to you seven times, saying, 'I repent,' forgive him" This passage says if he sins against you 7 times a day and asks forgigness, you must. 7 times a day does not suggest remorse. |
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2 | Luke 17:4 is in conflict with 17:3 | Luke 17:3 | TheFinalSQL | 120325 | ||
'I Repent' suggests remorse. Praise the Lord! Norm |
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3 | The Biblical achilles heal | Luke 17:3 | Pete2 | 120331 | ||
Yes, I agree with the "repent", "remorse".... I am suggesting that if a person does a bad act, apologises and repeats deliberately, 7 times in one day... I am required to forgive? lol, I must have expressed poorly. I was born a christian, and now atheist. But since our culture operates by biblical moral, it is necessary to know and understand it. And quite frankly, I can not follow it, if it leaves no room to not forgive. Some people are evil and learn biblical ways and play them like musical instrument. Those people really like this achilles heal on forgiveness.... Is this the same forgiveness that guy got his head crushed in, in the LA riots and forgave the guy who did it? Was he required to.... by any interpretation? Could he opt not to, even if the guy offered remorse? In Luke 17:4, it indicates that he had no choice if there was remorse. | ||||||
4 | The Biblical achilles heal | Luke 17:3 | TheFinalSQL | 120335 | ||
There is a big difference between an apology and repentance. Esau was sorry, apologizing in his way, to the point of tears, but he did not repent and Jesus did not forgive him. The definition of repentance/repent seems to be your sticking pont. Perhaps Paul from 2 Corithians can assist you. Here is part of chapter 7: 2 Corinthians 7:9-11 Now I rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye sorrowed to repentance: for ye were made sorry after a godly manner, that ye might receive damage by us in nothing. For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death. For behold this selfsame thing, that ye sorrowed after a godly sort, what carefulness it wrought in you, yea, what clearing of yourselves, yea, what indignation, yea, what fear, yea, what vehement desire, yea, what zeal, yea, what revenge! In all things ye have approved yourselves to be clear in this matter. I think the 7 times in one day is an extreme example. Going through through 7 cycles of the above in one day would be quite a roller coaster ride of emotions to say the least. I believe Jesus gave that number to express that there is no limit. If you repent you will be forgiven. If you do not repent Jesus will not forgive you. Praise the Lord! Norm |
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5 | Civil punishment impossible? | Luke 17:3 | Pete2 | 120430 | ||
Norm, you answered it very well. How does this, then justify punishment being deligated by society. Especially before an execution, I am sure that they probably always regret what they did to some level... So, can a devout Christian diligate civil justice? Turn the other cheak to me, rewards evil. I agree that revenge is evil, but retalliation is what makes civilization possible. | ||||||
6 | Civil punishment impossible? | Luke 17:3 | JCrichton | 120448 | ||
Hi, Pete2! You know... there might be some civil servants that would actually relish exacting punishment or abusing their office--some actually do, we all have seen it on national television and we hear it in the news on a regular basis! But civil justice and Divine justice are not necessarily congruent. This is why Jesus said "my peace I give you--not the peace of the world." (...the old: "power corrupts!") As far as dispensing civil justice this is what the Bible has to say: Everyone is to obey the governing authorities, because there is no authority except from God and so whatever authorities exist have been appointed by God. So anyone who disobeyes an authority is rebelling against God's ordinance; and rebels must expect to receive the condemnation they deserve. (Romans 13:1-2) Those in society who do not dispense justice, but, instead, abuse their power they well be met with God's condemnation for their wickedness and for usurping God's authority! God Bless! Angel |
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7 | Justice in my view sesms better. | Luke 17:3 | Pete2 | 120492 | ||
Good answer Angel, brief and to the point. I feel somewhat guilty... me being an athiest and basically using you guys as researchers. I understand my form of justice, and please don't be offended, but the justice in the bible, so far, does not make sense. You have explained it's view well. It appears that I must disagree with the bible. Let me explain my justice, just so you will know where I am coming from. I believe that revenge is administrating justice for personal enjoyment. Only an evil person would enjoy hurting another, physically or psycologically. On the other hand, a person has to use retaliation to a guide a person to justice. What is the difference? When you spank a child and insist on remorse, when the child expresses remorse, they must be lovingly forgiven. You guide the child in 2 ways as a result. you punish for bad behavior and you reward them when they see it correctly. Society must operate in the same way. If on the other hand, your 2 year old comes over and kicks you in the knee and says "i'm sorry". You say, "you are forgiven". Then he kicks you in the knee again and says hes sorry. lol. Children are born uncivilized. If dicipline is not used, you will be rewarding bad behavior and you will get more of it. People learn limits as they age, but not the same limits. Your next door neighbor may think its just fine to park his non working car in his front yard on jacks. Would it be inapropriate to shun a fellow employee for touching people inapropriatly? 7 times in one day? As long as he expresses remorse each time? Mormons believe that they can not even hit someone if they are rapeing their wife. It is a good thing that there are those who are not mormons, to make it a safe world for them. They live in tight groups, they have to, they are not living in a way that works in many situations. |
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8 | Justice in my view sesms better. | Luke 17:3 | Morant61 | 120508 | ||
Greetings Pete2! Unless one is a Christian, Biblical forgiveness is impossible to understand. This is what makes the concept so difficult. But, I think that you may be confusing issues. There is a difference between personal forgiveness and administration of judicial punishment. I have to forgive a person who wrongs me, but that does not mean that said person will not still be liable to civil punishment. Someone who steals from me will be forgiven, but probably still go to jail! :-) The issue of forgiveness in Scripture is always personal, not governmental. Further, the concept of forgiveness does not rule out protecting an innocent. I may 'have to' turn the other check, but I don't have to stand aside and watch someone else be abused! :-) If you read the Sermon on the Mount concerning forgiveness, you will see what I mean. The forgiveness is always personal. By the way, what are you researching? Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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