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1 | Is remorse necessary for forgiveness? | Luke 17:3 | CDBJ | 119677 | ||
Greetings. If what you say is truth, “Forgiveness is a conditional promise: if you forgive, you will be forgiven;” It is a fact that truth is not affected by time, what was true say 3000 years ago is still true today. Malachi 3:6 (A) For I am the LORD, I change not; Taking all of the previous in mind, and if we are forgiven on that basis, of our forgiving others; why did Jesus have to die for us to be forgiven; according to what you said, all I have to do, to be forgiven, is for me to forgive other and that makes it right? Where does the following verse come into play? Romans 6:23 (A) For the wages of sin is death; I have forgiven everyone that has owed me anything, does that mean that I am saved as a result? CDBJ |
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2 | Is remorse necessary for forgiveness? | Luke 17:3 | WalkingTalkingBible | 119683 | ||
Hi, CDBJ! You have to do a little more than forgive to be saved. . . Jesus died so that we can be reconciled back to God, for the remission of (or deliverance from) sin (Matthew 26:28). Jesus is the only one who was worthy to die for the sins of the world. Therefore, look at remission/forgiveness, in Jesus' case, as deliverance. You (or none of us) can forgive, or deliver, others from sin. We are not God, so the sin is not against us, even though we are affected by it, sin is against God. You are not saved because you forgive (pardon, excuse) someone who did you wrong, one is saved because of repentance, accepting Jesus as Savior and doing the will of God. How could we, being forgiven of sin not forgive others who do us wrong? See Jesus' answer to Peter's question about forgiveness in Matthew 18:21-35. You're right, God did not change, but how He deals with us did change. Before the Day of Pentecost, God did not live in man (with few exceptions like John the Baptist). So there was no power to forgive. But in our dispensation, those who are filled with the Spirit of God are empowered to bring themselves under the subjection to the will of God. Forgiveness and Salvation are not the same when comparing ourselves to God. Check your post again, I didn't use Romans 6:23. WalkingTalkingBible |
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3 | Is remorse necessary for forgiveness? | Luke 17:3 | CDBJ | 119695 | ||
That's very interesting, your statement that is, “Before the Day of Pentecost, God did not live in man (with few exceptions like John the Baptist). So there was no power to forgive.” If I read you right, “So there was no power to forgive.” That would imply that that before Pentecost there was no capacity for God to save people? What was the means of salvation in the Old Testament, if since the New Testament we are finally under grace? John 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. Could people be saved, during the times of the Old Testament, by keeping the Law? CDBJ |
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4 | Is remorse necessary for forgiveness? | Luke 17:3 | WalkingTalkingBible | 119774 | ||
You imply that "before the day of Pentecost there was no capacity for God to save people." In the Old Testament, the souls were under the law. The law didn't give them power over sin, the law showed how sinful man is and how much man needed a Savior (Galatians 3:24). They couldn't keep the law. But Jesus, fulfilled the law (Matthew 5:17). The Old Testament souls had to ". . .Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man." Ecclesiastes 12:13 You're right, O.T. people were believers by keeping the Law. Salvation, or deliverance (from the bondage of sin and eternal separation from God), didn't come until Jesus gave His life and resurrected. A lot more is expected of us, who are saved and filled with the Holy Ghost. We have the Spirit of God dwelling in us guiding us to do so. God, only, has the power to forgive sins. We have the power to do what is right, which includes forgiving others who treat us wrongly. Not the same as forgiving sin. Look at some of the Old Testament laws concerning, killing, stealing, homosexuality, beastiality, incest, adultery, etc. They were told to kill these "offenders." Not very forgiving, huh? We have the same spirits dwelling in people today, but God says love them anyhow. We can forgive (pardon, excuse) because God is living in us. Does this help a little more? WalkingTalkingBible |
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5 | Is remorse necessary for forgiveness? | Luke 17:3 | CDBJ | 119781 | ||
Just to set the record straight, I didn’t say, as you claimed I did, “You're right, O.T. people were believers by keeping the Law.” I didn’t even suggest that in my post, I merely ask if that’s what you believe. I believe that O.T. believers were saved the same as we are in the N.T. and that’s by putting all of their faith in Christ. The only difference is that they looked forward to the promise of the coming seed, which is Christ, and we look back. Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. We are saved the same way that Abraham was and he lived before the law was even given. Galatians 3:17-19 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. 18For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise. 19Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. Have a nice day, CDBJ |
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6 | Is remorse necessary for forgiveness? | Luke 17:3 | WalkingTalkingBible | 119794 | ||
Sorry, I didn't know that you were asking me if I believed that. . . Anyway, I stated that the O.T. people were believers by keeping the Law. I guess I could say that a little better: The believers in the O.T. were to keep the Law. I believe the O.T. people were saved by faith in God. Whatever He said, they believed Him, and that pleased Him. Paul's epistles to the Romans and the Galatians were explaining to them, in short, that the law could not save them (probably because there were Jews around, like the Pharisees, still trying to teach people the old way). When I read about Abraham, I believe he looked for the promise. But I truly believe, as the Holy Ghost leads me, that the O.T. believers were saved by faith (Hebrews 11:1-39). When I look at people like Moses, Joshua, and King David, just to name a few, they had tremendous faith in God. So, if I say that they had faith in the will of God, and the will of God is His Word, then I guess you can say they did have faith in Jesus, Who is the Word of God! Thanks! You've helped me see things clearer concerning the believers from the O.T. time! God bless you! WalkingTalkingBible |
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