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1 | Justice in my view sesms better. | Luke 17:3 | Zsuzsi | 120529 | ||
Hi Pete2, I get your argument, but there are minor questions which it does not answer: If there is no God, who decides what is 'good' and what is 'evil' at all? What is good for me might be considered bad for another person: eg. is prostitution okay? Secondly, who gives the authority to those who decide what is good and evil, on what basis? Thirdly, even if it can be decided, if there is no God, why is it bad to be consciously 'evil' (i.e. why can't I -morally- blow up the whole world right away, eg. in a nuclear war, who cares)? Fourthly, why would you care about it anyway if you know everyone perishes after their death? To me it seems that ignoring the existence of God makes the question irrelevant! Fortunately God has been gracious enough to give us the answers to those questions in the Bible... As for what Jesus was teaching, I believe the whole concept of justice can be understood the best from Micah 6:8: He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? DO JUSTLY: Tell if someone is going on the wrong track: tell him privately, then 2 or 3 together, then the church, and if he still doesn't listen, 'let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican' (Matt 18:15-17), that is, pray for them, turn the other cheek and let God do the rest: Be still and know that I am God. (Psalm 46:10) LOVE MERCY: Forgive everyone, as the Father forgives you. Forgiveness means 'keeping in love', which is nevertheless not the same as approving of sin. God forgives but out of love He allows the consequences of our sin to take place. (Read 2Samuel 11 and 12 for God's response to David's affair - will help you!) Loving someone often means letting them know that they are doing something wrong. As for children, teach your child, for He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes. (Prov 13:24) WALK HUMBLY WITH THY GOD: Remember that you are sinner saved by grace; check for the beam in your eye before you condemn someone else for a mote. (Matt 7:3) You MUST NOT abuse God's grace: the sin against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven! (Mt 12:31-32, Mk 32:29, Lk 12:10 - Jesus' reply to 'the Biblical Achilles Heel'!) Also accept with humility and without complaint when God teaches you by allowing the consequences of your sin to happen, for whom the LORD loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth. (Prov 3:12) Yet, know that He has forgiven: Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon. (Isa 55:7). All Jesus is saying is: Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. (Mt 5:48) Be good to people, pray for them, want good to them, whatever they do to you: be merciful, i.e. forgive, but also just, i.e. teach, so that they may change. And walk humbly with God, and He will let you know what is right and what is wrong; The fear of the LORD is the instruction of wisdom; and before honour is humility. (Prov 15:33) He will also teach you the correct balance between mercy and justice... Good and upright is the LORD: therefore will he teach sinners in the way. (Psalm 25:8) Psalm 101:1: I will sing of mercy and judgment: unto thee, O LORD, will I sing. Hosea 12:6: Therefore turn thou to thy God: keep mercy and judgment, and wait on thy God continually. Reading the book of Proverbs, and the Sermon on the Mount (Mt 5,6,7) would do you good. ;) Hope this helps. May my God, Whom you sadly don't believe in, bless you. I will pray for you. Yours in Christ, Zsuzsi |
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2 | My beliefs | Luke 17:3 | Pete2 | 120800 | ||
I want to start off by saying, I have no desire to convert anyone. If I tried, I would probably fail and instead strengthen your conviction. In the same light, I will continue discussing this only if you are willing to do the same. I have had many Christians try to convert me. They always ask the same questions and feel self fulfilled with their arguments when they are done. I enjoy philosophy, yet, having a Christian say that they do have the answers because they have the bible and I don’t, because I don’t. To me, that statement contains no logic. Every thing I know, I can prove. Everything I can not prove, I don’t know. It is interesting to hear all sides of mans evolution, but really, little of any of it is provable, there fore to, Is merely an intellectual exercise. I do recognize the bible as containing more wisdom than any document ever written. People would profit from learning it. All coexistence is based on morality. But what morality? Liberals in particular tend to say, "do what feels right". Unfortunately, that is the morality that pedophiles, con artists and other people use also. Evil people prefer to have a sliding scale of morality. They detest being judged. They see absolutely nothing wrong with their acts. All people rationalize. All people do things that are wrong. They use rationalization to supply exceptions in "their" case. So everyone has a "dark side". An Evil person though, will condone evil actions as right. So it is really obvious that civilization cannot exist without an agreed on morality. Do what "feels" right does not work. It has never worked. The difference between a successful civilization and a failure is the morality that was used as the model. There are hundreds of religions around the world. Most fail to thrive. Only the Judeo-Christian has worked well. No other religion has created the harmonious environment that the Judeo-Christian has. The governments around the world that do not use the Judeo-Christian morality as a basis for their government have failed miserably. Especially in the Middle East that are Moslem. The Moslem religion does not operate even by the most basic litmus test of right and wrong, "the golden rule". They endorse pedophilia in the Koran, the Moslem bible. They say the women are for making babies and little boys are for pleasure. That is an evil act. It is condoned. It is uncivilized. That is why I say, you can not go to the middle east and civilize them without taking missionaries The world has been trying and failing for over 2000 years. Atheism would be preferable for them. Fortunately though, as the world continues to get smaller. The Internet has linked all of the people of the world. Unfortunately, everyone on the Internet is nameless and faceless. As a result, Evil is having a "hay day" there. It cannot be ignored. Their must be a universal code of morality around the world to Police this up. Yet, the UN invents morality as they go. Trust me, they will not get to where they need to be. Not unless they base it off the Judeo-Christian ethic. That is not going to happen. Therefore, it will fail. All governing bodies that don't follow it fail. So back to the top. I am looking for the "truth". Even if it occurs in places I don't like. Like it or not, the bible works. Yet in this country, we are moving farther away from it and we have become very indulgent. This, in history, has been the pattern of every once successful, failing culture. Flaws in Christianity that I either do not understand or don’t agree with. I will list them. 1. It seems that there is a double standard for morality for the individual and for government. Christian governments can punish wrong doers, yet the individual is required to forgive. This would be interesting to watch a Christian Politician. Apparently they get to pick and choose. 2. It is my belief that the aggressor sets the rules. This is comical to see how immoral people use Christianity to their advantage. They cheat, lie, deceive. If there is a moral person that says anything on a public forum, they are viciously attacked and since they are human, they have flaws. If those flaws are pointed out, their own Christian friends will remove them from office. This leaves an office open, then evil has an elevated chance of filling the office. 3. Christians have a tendency to live in bubbles, ignoring many things that go on beyond that. Mormon like behavior would be impossible if there were not those that were willing to get down in the dirt to fight to protect them. And after this, do not even turn to thank them. Instead they condemn their process of protection. 3. “Turn the other cheek”, does not work for improving behavior. It instead, rewards mis-deeds. I hope that the above answers some questions, but I fear that it just provokes more. Pete2 |
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3 | My beliefs | Luke 17:3 | Searcher56 | 120804 | ||
Pete2, Can you cite the source of what you said ....... That is the Koran. "They endorse pedophilia in the Koran, the Moslem bible. They say the women are for making babies and little boys are for pleasure." While I don't believe in what the Koran says, I doubt it makes these statments. Moreover, we discuss the Bible at this site. |
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4 | One sided culture war. | Luke 17:3 | Pete2 | 120818 | ||
The bible is only useful if it fits into the world. If this is true, how can you study it without its application? The Koran is the Moslem bible. It also says that it is ok to kill non moslems with immunity. There is little condemnation for murder in the Koran. It is also full of sexual content. Do you doubt that if a person does a terrorist attack that they think that they will have a bunch of virgins waiting for them in Heaven? I guess I have been frustrated about the one sided culture war that has been going on. |
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5 | One sided culture war. | Luke 17:3 | Bruce7 | 120820 | ||
The Bible is only useful if we study, understand it, and obey it. Being a Christian will always be in opposite to the world's views. | ||||||