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1 | Knocked out by holy spirit | Matt 16:6 | EdB | 91700 | ||
Elijah_Jones You characterize the "watch dog" organizations as mindless groups that bark at anything. However the truth shows BEFORE they say or do anything they go back the to ministry for clarification. In other words they do examine their credentials. In that aspect they follow the Matthew 18:15-17. Unfortunately such attempts for clarification and reconciliation are often rejected, many organizations feel they are above any form of scrutiny and resent any form of it. When there is a rejection or a refusal to correct the situation then and only then do these Watchmen groups reveal to the church the problem. Unfortunately in many cases the church fails to it part. If your involved in ministry as much as you claim you yourself have to know this is correct. How many times do we see a pastor that is caught in sin and dismissed divide a church taking some with him. The people are following a man instead of God. You say I speak of excesses that you have not supported. But in fact you have by winking at the excesses committed by the Word of Faith teaching. You use an old adage eat the wheat and spit out the chaff. Oh if it was that easy. Unfortunately the chaff or junk sticks to us almost more certain than the wheat. Discernment is to more than spotting demons and okaying sin, it is also valuable to spot heresy. Many Word of Faith doctrines are designed to elevate man and denigrate God. By teaching Jesus was born just a man and couldn’t do anything until he was filled with the Holy Spirit separates Him from the Godhead. Then inferring that man once he then gets filled with the Holy Spirit can do anything Jesus did inflates man to God position. Done cleverly this chaff many times is swallowed long before an undiscerning person knows what is happening. What are the things you wink at? Word of Faith falsely teach Job brought his problems upon himself, that Paul was never sick which is also the case of Christians if their faith is strong enough, that Jesus was monetarily rich as was Paul and this is an example of for all Christians to aspire to, that God was helpless thrown off this planet first trying to sneak back through Abraham then later succeeding by tricking Satan with Jesus, that Jesus went to hell and wrestled with Satan for the keys and just barely won, that man was created to be God of this planet but when he fell he gave Satan all his power, that God can’t do anything without faith. Sure they use scripture but they twist it and convolute it in a manner that makes it seem right to the undiscerning. You say I throw the Baby out with the wash water. I say nonsense. You have no idea what I hold true the only thing you know is I call false teachers “false teachers”. Trying to denigrate my spiritual position or knowledge in an attempt to show that I’m wrong will only work if I had stated what I believe and you could point to an error within it. As far as being hurt yes I was, I was lied to, manipulated, conned, charmed, and mislead. When the Holy Spirit opened my eyes to the truth I also understood how it was accomplished. I believe that is one reason it happened so I and others could warn the church body of the deception birthed in Word of Faith. I too want to see the church fitted together, I personally believe denominational division within the church is the biggest hindrance to the spread of Christianity there is today. However that said I will not lower God’s standards and accept heresy to see this accomplished. Failure to use discernment is why Mormons are one of the fastest growing religions today. They speak the gospel and they speak it telling the people what they want to hear. They just like Word of Faith use the right words that make so much logical sense to man that it must be right. Yet their teaching like Word of Faith is birthed in falsehoods and filled with lies. EdB |
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2 | Knocked out by holy spirit | Matt 16:6 | Elijah_Jones | 91709 | ||
I believe I've made myself clear and no further amount of debate will add to what I've said on the matter. I will retire from this debate. When we can bring correction to an abuse is not having just gone through it, but when forgiveness and mercy has cleansed out the bitterness and the power of God has brought healing to the wounds. Until that happens, we are trapped by the poison even if we now find ourselves in battle against it. I'm concerned you'll quickly dismiss this advice like the rest of what I have laid out. Let me say this.. I am not the one throwing stones or bringing accusations against people I would be VERY hard pressed to discount as genuine Christians. That, in itself, should give one pause to think carefully about one's position. Mormon's are clearly false, since they have added to cannonized Scripture to support their doctrines. One must firstly settle the issue of what is Scripture before there can be any foundation to build upon. Comparing them to WOF is just another faulty argument that you have used by tieing something else to what the basic tenets you refer to as WOF are. Oh..and btw. The entire paragraph about Job,Paul, Abraham, keys and all that is all conjecture.. not the basic tenets that I am defending. None of those things you are mentioning are backed conclusively by Scripture. They can be vaguely alluded to, but are in no way remotely close to clear to build doctrine from. So again, it is just a way to blame excesses and aberrations as evidence against the basic fundamental tenets you refer to as WOF. And Discenment is the ability to identify the true from the false, nothing really more than that, at its basic level. So, I'll leave this debate with those final comments and thoughts. Now, I'll go pray that God will keep me from any temptations to sin out of pride, anger, or ill will regarding our difference of opinion. I am asking God that he will bless you and lead you into all truth and righteousness.. as well as myself to the same.. that we can stand before him with our hearts clear of any sin resulting from our difference of opinion. Be blessed by our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. |
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3 | Knocked out by holy spirit | Matt 16:6 | EdB | 91745 | ||
Elijah_Jones You keep talking about bitterness and forgiveness. If I just got burned touching something and warned you of the danger would you say I was doing it out of bitterness or un-forgiveness? Then why do you insist I do it now? I compared Mormons to WOF only in the method of using scripture to support their positions. I never inferred to otherwise said they were the same other than saying they were both wrong. The whole thing about Abraham Paul etc which you call conjecture, is far from conjecture when it is used to support or define their doctrine. I never said you were supporting these false teachings as such. However by saying WOF is orthodox Christianity you are in fact embracing all they teach and declaring it correct. If you remember the start of this thread I did not throw any stones other than say, WOF doctrine which states praying God’s will be done is in error, at the time you agreed in point. Everybody seems to have a hard time calling a duck, a duck. If a man teaches heresy are we not to that is false? If he refuses to repent of this are we not to expose him for what he is? Jesus said many will come in His name that won’t be of Him, why are we afraid to challenge these doctrines and say where on earth did you come up with that? I angered you when I said what I did about Neil Anderson, for that I’m sorry but understand his teaching has been discussed in many circles and found wanting of any firm scriptural support. For that I’m sorry but fact is fact. I appreciate and covet all the prayer I can get, so thank you for praying for me. Again for me angering you I apologize and ask your forgiveness. I never meant for you to become angry. Be blessed my friend EdB |
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