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1 | Knocked out by holy spirit | Matt 16:6 | Whiteeagle1a | 90388 | ||
No there isn't any scripture that refers to the Holy Spirit knocking any one out. The Holy Spirit is a part of the trinity and was sent to teach, inpower and guide us thru our christian walk. I believe that this faith healers our what Jesus would refer to as theatrics which is not what Jesus is all about. In God's word Jesus NEVER put on show during the performing of any of his miracles, and you nerver read about anyone being knocked out by the Holy Spirit. These faith healers use these theatrics to exciete the crowd all for show and money. Many people leave in the same conidition when they arrived. We need to remember the Jesus is all powerful and still can perform many miracles and has performed many miracles today in my life, but it is not to be used in a theatrical way, because that doesn't bring the attention on God but in the theatrics. | ||||||
2 | Knocked out by holy spirit | Matt 16:6 | PastorFloyd | 90399 | ||
Just because it hasn't happened to you, don't use that as a criteria to condemn those that have. The Holy Spirit uses many methods to heal people. Slain in the Spirit is only one of many, which I might add, has always been a controversary to those who don't know. The Scripture in the Old Testament that says, "Touch not mine anointed and do my prophets no harm," is appropo here. Theatrics? Have you ever poured anointing oil over a dead person and proclaim life into them by the Name of Jesus, and seen them rise from the dead? Have you ever laid hands on someone and proclaimed the healing power of Jesus Christ, and seen them rise to their feet, completely healed? Don't comdemn those who do. Theatrics? Dear God! If someone has been crippled all their life and Jesus heals them by any means, that is cause for celebration. For show and for money? You poor deluded fools, you have shown yourselves for what you are. Like the King told Paul during his trial. "All this learning has driven you insane." Maybe you should get back to the beginning and use a little faith. Sure people leave the meetings of healers the same way they arrived. They are asking the healer to heal them when they should be focusing in on the One who heals. I would like to see thousands of men and women use "theatrics" to heal people if that is what it takes. Jesus spit on a man and healed him. Is that theatrics? Not to many years ago there was an old farmer from the mid-west that would spit on his hand and place it on the part of a person's body that was sick. That person would be healed instantly. Is that theatrics? Give us more theatrics if that is what it takes to get people healed. You ought to be ashamed of yourselves. Get off your duffs and get out there and heal people by the Name of Jesus, instead of knocking others for doing so. You folks remind me of Emmaus, remember what happened to him. |
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3 | Knocked out by holy spirit | Matt 16:6 | BradK | 90403 | ||
Dear Pastor Floyd, The tone of your response is harsh to say the least, brother! My main contention with the phenomena of being "slain in the spirit" is that it is nowhere found in scripture! Can you show me otherwise? Personal experience is a poor basis for establishing Biblical doctrine! This "touch not mine anointed..." has been so overused and misused as to be almost meaningless.It reeks of spiritual superiority! Brother, we are ALL "anointed" according to 2 Cor. 1:21. I ask you "Have you ever poured anointing oil over a dead person and proclaim life into them by the Name of Jesus, and seen them rise from the dead?" I would find that extrememly difficult to believe- on the basis of only 8 Biblical examples of anyone dead being raised. Where is the normative scriptural warrant for this? As far as what I would like to see is sound biblical doctrine proclaimed. As Paul wrote in 2 Tim. 2:2 "preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great patience and instruction." Brother, I have no qualms with your right to disagree. What I do take issue with is the manner in which you do so. To call fellow brothers 'deluded fools' and tell us that we "ought to be ashamed" of ourselves is simply not called for. "For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek." Rom. 1:16 Speaking The Truth In Love, BradK |
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4 | Knocked out by holy spirit | Matt 16:6 | PastorFloyd | 90407 | ||
You are right in saying that there is no scripture reference for being slain in the spirit. I have worked under men of God who have "poured oil" on a dead person and have seen them raised from the dead. I am sorry for the words "deluded fools". It gets my dander up when people have the audacity to comment on the works of a minister who they think is using theatrics for the power of God to heal people. God told us to go out and preach to the whole world, laying hands on those who need it, in the Name of Jesus. I can't give you scripture for those who are "slain in the spirit." I was the worst skeptic in the world and I didn't believe it myself until God showed it to me one night and I hit the floor also. I can only describe it to you as a great burst of power that seems to overwhelm your mind with love. When that overwhelming love pours into your spirit in such a powerful way, the human mind cannot accept it and you will literally hit the floor, "slain in the spirit." What matters it, if people are healed by being slain in the spirit? Sure there are some who use theatrics. But the majority overshadow them all. I would rather see someone do back-flips off a podium if that is what it takes to see them healed, than to tell them there is no basis for being slain in the spirit. There are many who lose their healings after a few days, but they have not followed up on the teachings of how to keep their healings. Satan uses any means to take away the blessings of God. I have seen people healed and a couple of weeks later be right back in the same fix they were in before. But, explain this to me Ed, if they were healed and they lost their healing, how did they get healed in the first place? Through theatrics? |
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5 | Knocked out by holy spirit | Matt 16:6 | BradK | 90423 | ||
Pastor Floyd, I'm glad you can admit that there is no scriptural reference for "being slain in the spirit." However, my concern is this: Does personal experience trump scripture? What I hear you saying is that even though there is NO Biblical basis for this term or practice-and you were skeptical- God showed it to you one night! So, what do I now believe, your personal experience or scripture? You are indeed in a very tenuous position my friend. You see Pastor Floyd, I believe in Gods' Word as being not only inspired, but inerrant,and wholly sufficient as well as being our final authority. As I stand on the Bible as Gods' final authority, no doctrine and no binding of conscience can be asserted through revelation that comes from another source than the Bible. It seems that we depart in our understanding of the General Rules for understanding and interpreting scripture. The salvation of men would, in my estimation be of higher concern than the mere healing of our mortal flesh. We need to be more concerned with the eternal, than that which is perishing(1 Cor. 1:18). For if we remember these words, herein our hope lies: "in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed." 1 Cor. 15:52 Speaking The Truth In Love, BradK |
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6 | Knocked out by holy spirit | Matt 16:6 | PastorFloyd | 90480 | ||
No, my friend, I am not asking you to base your salvation or healing on my personal experiences from the Lord. I merely mentioned them as a reference point of which I can base my observations on. I agree that Salvation is the highest blessing we can receive from God. But why should we be crippled in our life after we receive Jesus as our Savior? or why should we allow sickness to come upon us even as we are Christians? Jesus did not have any sickness in His Body even though He touched people with leprosy and all kinds of sikness. Nothing in Scripture says that these things came upon Him. He says we are to be like Him. Well, why be sick if He gave us provision to be well? I just learned today that we are not to criticize one another or any other member of the human race because to do so will allow the demon forces to enter your spirit. Now, alot of people do not believe that a Christian can be overcome or be influenced by demons once they accept Jesus, but there I have to differ. Romans 6:16 tells us that to whom we obey, that is whom we will follow. (my interpretation). I'm not going to get into a discussion right now with whether we can or cannot be influenced by demons. That is a whole new doctrine and will open up a whole new can of worms. The way I see it, if you want to be sick then you can. God gave each of us a will. I personally want to build up my faith to the point where nothing can come upon my body that will cause sickness or an infirmity. I have been healed twice from cancer through the direct prayers and by FAITH that God would do as He said He would do. I have seen my wife, crippled from what the doctors did to her through major operations, accept what Jesus had to offer through FAITH and instantly become well. That is what I base my faith on. What Jesus taught us. He did not just teach us to receive Salvation, He taught us to use His Scriptures for what we need. The Bible is not just a book to read. It is a guide to our daily lives and if you want healing, it is in there also. So, if people do not want to believe God for what the Bible gives us, then they don't have to. It is like people blaming the minister for taking some old lady's money. No one forces that lady to give to their ministry. No one sticks a gun into her side and demands that she sends money to a ministry. God said he would cause people to give into our bosum. He did not say it would rain down from heaven, though I also believe if God wanted to do that, He would. The Scriptures say that if we give He will cause men to give back to us (Luke 6:38). People are always slamming the minister for taking millions of dollars from the people. God gave us a will and He can put it upon our hearts to give or not to give but no one is forcing us to give. By the same set of rules, He is not forcing us to accept healing, we can or cannot be sick, by participating in His guidelines for healings. It is our will. I know I am digressing from our conversation but it all falls into the same category. If you want to believe, God will allow you to believe. If you do not want to believe in being "slain in the spirit" you don't have to. I didn't believe in tongues until God showed me what a wonderful experience it is everytime I do and how close I can get to Him by doing so. Most people don't believe in that either. That is their perogative. We can go on and on by this doctrine but it all boils down to the same thing, do you believe in it or not. Personally I do. |
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7 | Knocked out by holy spirit | Matt 16:6 | Radioman2 | 90482 | ||
1. Healing...a gracious privilege - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - "Just as salvation is by grace through faith (Ephesians 2:8), so all God’s blessings and gifts are ours by His grace or unmerited favor. We do not earn them. We do not deserve them. "No one in the New Testament demanded healing. People came to Jesus beseeching Him. They did not look on healing as their right, but as a gracious privilege extended to them." - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - [Note: The following is a direct quote from: Assemblies of God Beliefs: Divine Healing (http://ag.org/top/beliefs/position_papers/4184_healing.cfm#top)] Divine Healing: The Privilege of All Believers [Part 1] Just as salvation is by grace through faith (Ephesians 2:8), so all God’s blessings and gifts are ours by His grace or unmerited favor. We do not earn them. We do not deserve them. No one in the New Testament demanded healing. People came to Jesus beseeching Him. They did not look on healing as their right, but as a gracious privilege extended to them. As the privilege of believers, the promise of healing does not rule out suffering for Christ’s sake and the gospel’s. We are expected to be prepared to follow His example (Hebrews 5:8; 1 Peter 2:19,21; 4:12—14,19). Nor are we to look to divine healing as a substitute for obedience to the rules of physical and mental health. Jesus recognized the need of the disciples to get away from the crowds and rest awhile (Mark 6:31). Jethro saw that if Moses did not delegate some of his responsibilities to others, he would wear away (Exodus 18:18). Neither is divine healing a means of avoiding the effects of old age. Moses did retain a clear eye and his natural strength until the day of his death (Deuteronomy 34:7). But this privilege was not granted to King David (1 Kings 1:1—4). The gradual breakdown of old age, pictured so graphically in Ecclesiastes 12:1—7, is the common experience of believers as well as unbelievers. Healing is still available to the aged, but the part that is healed usually continues to age like the rest of the body. We do not yet have the redemption of the body. Even we who have the firstfruits of the Spirit groan and travail in pain like the rest of creation, waiting patiently for the fulfillment of our hope (Romans 8:21—25). No matter what we do for this body, no matter how many times we are healed, if Jesus tarries we shall die. However, the Bible does not tell us this to discourage us, but to make us realize that we must encourage and cultivate our life in the Spirit, for the Spirit quickens (resurrects), and that is our real hope (Romans 8:11). In fact, even though outwardly one is perishing, inwardly one is being renewed day by day (2 Corinthians 4:16). Actually it is this inner renewal that makes us best able to have the faith to claim the privilege of divine healing. To the woman healed of the issue of blood, Jesus said, "Your faith has healed you" (Mark 5:34). Paul at Lystra, when he saw that the hearing of the gospel had brought faith to be healed into the heart of a cripple, commanded him to stand up (Acts 14:9,10). The inner renewal of the mind (Romans 12:2; Colossians 3:10) is seen also in the great faith of the Roman centurion who recognized the authority of Christ’s word (Matthew 8:5—13) and the Syrophoenician woman who believed that even a crumb would meet the need (Mark 7:24—30; Matthew 15:28). That divine healing comes through faith is further confirmed by the fact that unbelief hindered its reception at Nazareth (Mark 6:5,6) and at the foot of the Mount of Transfiguration (Matthew 17:14—20). There Jesus indicates the necessity also of expressing faith by praying and fasting (Mark 9:29). Prayer is one of the chief means of healing in the Old Testament. Many of the Psalms include prayers for healing. Many of the prophets prayed for the healing of others. James 5:15 promises that the prayer of faith will save the sick and the Lord will raise them up. ____________________ To read more go to: (http://ag.org/top/beliefs/position_papers/4184_healing.cfm#top) |
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8 | Knocked out by holy spirit | Matt 16:6 | PastorFloyd | 90832 | ||
Right! I love that scripture in james 5:15. I stand on it also. | ||||||