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1 | Knocked out by holy spirit | Matt 16:6 | EdB | 90996 | ||
Elijah_Jones Look I'm not trying to destroy anyones faith here. If you feel comfortable with people been slain in the spirit assembly line fashion fine. However with I think two exceptions every incident of people falling in the presence of the Lord or His Glory has been unredeemed sinners. I can find no Biblical prohibition against faling down if you feel so inclined so I really don't want to be part of this debate. I hope you understand. I regret and retract my previous comments on being slain in the spirit. EdB |
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2 | Knocked out by holy spirit | Matt 16:6 | Elijah_Jones | 91017 | ||
Thank you for your gracious response. I hope you see that I'm not necessarily "encouraging" the assembly line slain in the spirit thing.. I'm just saying that depending on the situation it may be false or genuine. Jesus promised that the sheep know his voice. If we are humble and come to His Word and meditate upon it with sincere desire to know Him and His truth, I think we can rest in His ability to lead us. I've met and seen what I believe to be 100 percent genuine supernatural manifestations of the spirit, and I've seen what I believe to be charismatic antics... the counterfeit always seeks to draw people away from the true. But we must not allow the counterfeit to create disdain for the genuine, or we are playing directly into the enemy's hand. That is my best understanding of things, which I admit is limited and totally dependant upon God to illuminate for me as I grow in wisdom and understanding. |
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3 | Knocked out by holy spirit | Matt 16:6 | EdB | 91026 | ||
Elijah_Jones The real question that needs to be asked is whether we are seeking God or are we seeking manifestations. I find in many cases the manifestations are being sought rather than God. This then becomes a problem. God said we must come to Him in faith but many come to Him because of what they saw in the manifestations. In other words their faith is in the manifestations rather than God Himself. This was exactly what Jesus was fighting, the Jews wanted to see more miracles and Jesus kept telling them the miracles would not draw them to God, faith was what was required. Men have learned that manifestations draw people, therefore to draw crowd do something spectacular and people will come. Once you have a crowd if you handle them correctly you can draw money from them and make youself very wealthy. I saw a man work a crowd of 'Christians' using a familiar spirit. He slyly got the people seeking or looking for manifestations and then got their eyes focused on him. Through this familiar spirit he was able to tell past things in people's lives "read their mail" was the term coined. He would then do a "love offering" suggesting many things to draw more money from them. On a good night he could average 100 dollars per person. You might ask how I know he was using a familar spirit. Well he would be able to tell past sins that born again believers committed before they were saved. The Word says that when we are born again God forgets our sins, He takes them as far as the East is from the west, yet this man in a very playful way could recall them. This man worked the crowd for weeks having an attendance of 500-1000 an evening. Once the offerings started to fall he declared that the Holy Spirit had told him to move on that his work was finished there. All the diseases were cured. Once he left town the people that were cured of the various diseases started to realize they still had their problems. They started questioning their pastors how could this be, they "know" they this man cured them from cancer yet the doctor is telling them to go home and get ready to die. They know their little daughter was cured of this terrible disease but the doctor says she still had it. Teh pastors tried to explain to them what happened but the pastors had to be wrong this man wouldn't lie to them he had done such wonderous miracles. It had to be the pastor that was lying to them. Even if one of the pastors carefully explained how this man used familar spiirts most people would not admit this man was wrong. The next year when he returned the same process was repeated. Yet many of the those that he cured had already died or were too sick to attend. He explained that they had let the adversary come into their lives and steal back the healing. Therefore he had himself covered it wasn't his fault it was the peoples own fault. Notice he never offered to visit the sick to help them. Others brought up the question of the familar spirit and how could he tell the sins of someone saved. He quickly went to "thou shall not touch God's anointed" which immediately scared everyone into silence. Again covering himself. Once again he worked the crowds only this time he was only drawing 400-800 and averaging 90 dollars a person. He repeated the cycle for abut 4 years then stop coming to this town for while. The church attendance in this town never really varied and average attendance figures mirrored national increases and declines. Most of the people that he prayed for that had serious diseases are now dead and the ones that had aches in the shoulders and back are now wearing copper bracklets, and sleeping on magnetic beds. but if you talk to them of this man most will tell you of his great healing ministry. Of how he cured old Joe of cancer, yet old Joe died last year, the dumb doctors said it was cancer but they don't know anything their just "practicing" medicine. Or how the Collins girl was brought out of her wheelchair yet you just saw her in a new motorized wheelchair. I wrote this not to discourage or destroy anyones faith. GOD does HEAL! If you are sick or have an affliction pray believing for your healing. If you know someone that is sick pray for their healing. Understand God does heal, however sometimes that healing doesn't take place when and how we want it to. I wrote this to tell you and others their faith MUST be in God not the manifestation. The adversary and men looking to profit from others misery will always be able to produce remarkable manifestations. So faith placed in the manifestations will pass as the men pass. But faith placed in God will endure forever. EdB |
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4 | Knocked out by holy spirit | Matt 16:6 | Elijah_Jones | 91058 | ||
Hello again brother in our blessed Saviour and Lord Jesus Christ! I would have totally agree with you that miracles alone do not make a Christian. Nonetheless, signs and wonders were obviously an important part of Christ's ministry as well as the recorded events of the followers of Christ. I thank God that He has chosen to prove himself thru signs and wonders. I know that many DO come to know Jesus as Saviour and Lord as a result of them. But you are right that more than just coming for the signs, one must come to know Him. As I've heard many say in the charismatic circles.. signs and wonders should be following US, not vice versa. :) Now.. I can only refute this incident with the same information that I have already posted. That although some may in fact try to use deceptive tactics to "fleece the sheep", that does in no way discredit those that are operating in true annointing. The sternest warning in all of scripture came right on the heals of the religious "correct" group of the day attesting that Jesus was delivering people using a familiar spirit, or the power of Beelzebub. That deserves serious consideration, in my estimation. I feel we must exercise extreme caution and humility as we come before the Lord on these matters, lest we be guilty of the same offense. |
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5 | Knocked out by holy spirit | Matt 16:6 | EdB | 91072 | ||
Your absolutely right just because they can be abused does not mean all are false. However what the church today needs more than at any time in the past is DISCERNMENT. Unfortunately that is one aspect of the gifts most never seek and those that possess it rarely use it. EdB |
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