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1 | Is "slain in the Spirit" biblical? | Matt 16:6 | flinkywood | 90515 | ||
Justme, funny you should mention Fred Price. I've been following this string and I think you are onto something. I went several times to Fred Price's faith dome after hearing rumors of healings within. People were prone to being slain during F.P's services, which to my eye looked like hypnosis show histrionics. F.P's ministry also has a definite scent of "If it ain't happening for you, maybe you ain't happening for it." I took my son there in hopes of a healing. F.P. prayed over him, then informed me that my boy's healing would progress as my faith grew. That annoyed me, and I've since discovered the falsity of that presumption. During one sermon he stated "Christians aren't supposed to suffer," and cited Saint Stephen's falling asleep as evidence for this sweeping claim. Thing is, his congregation eats it up. I don't doubt that many of his flock are saved, but what a diet they're on. Colin |
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2 | Is "slain in the Spirit" biblical? | Matt 16:6 | gracefull | 90641 | ||
Colin, If I may..Yes there is some theatrics as some try to 'make God move'. But there are a couple of your statements I would like to comment on if I may. 1. How many full gospel meetings where the Holy Spirit is manifesting Himself through the gifts and such have you attended? "People were prone to being slain during F.P's services, which to my eye looked like hypnosis show histrionics." No doubt some people imitate spiritual things for show, but this does not make being slain false, only those imitators. Even Paul in Corinthians admonished the Corinthians and warned them that some imitators had infiltrated their services. 1 Corinthians 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost. 2.." I took my son there in hopes of a healing. F.P. prayed over him, then informed me that my boy's healing would progress as my faith grew. That annoyed me, and I've since discovered the falsity of that presumption. What would be the problem with that statement? Were you expecting Dr. Price to heal your son? Please do not get angry at this question. You would be amazed at the number of Christians who have their faith misplaced and do not realize it. BUT... Unless he has the gift of healing, your faith or your son's faith would have to receive. And even if he did have the gift of faith, the Holy Spirit is the administrator of the gift. He decides when He will move. 1 Corinthians 12 Healing comes from God through faith. God may have been directing you to study the scriptures more in relationship to healing. Our faith is increased through the Word of God. Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. So odviously faith is developed or grows through spiritual hearing of the Word. And scripture tells us a lack of faith or unbelief can hinder healing. Even Jesus coulc not heal where there was unbelief. A lack of clear understanding of God's will from His word can be a hinderance to our receiving. I do not know you, but your statement,"That annoyed me, and I've since discovered the falsity of that presumption." 1St, you were annoyed, right away you were rejecting this word. 2ND What is the 'falsity of that statement'? "During one sermon he stated "Christians aren't supposed to suffer," and cited Saint Stephen's falling asleep as evidence for this sweeping claim." For clarity sake, He was teaching that the word "suffer" in the New Testament does not mean sickness and desease. In other contexts such as persecutions and dying to self for example, suffering should be expected. I listened to the entire series. My brother, I perceive that you were hurt and disappointed, but purhaps you should humble yourself before the Lord and ask the Holy Spirit to teach you about this from the Word rather than being angry. Secondly, we are commanded to PRAY for a brother if we see them in error. Galatians 6:1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted. I have often heard things I did not want to accept. I refuse to become angry, but take them before the Lord and ask Him to teach me. This is the way to remain teachable and not have the flow of the Spirit damned up by logs of anger, confussion, or bitterness. After saying all that I refer back to my original question..What was false about being instructed to develop your faith? God bless |
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3 | Is "slain in the Spirit" biblical? | Matt 16:6 | flinkywood | 90656 | ||
Graceful, thanks for your reply. A pastor friend passed an injured man screaming for help in a hospital bed. My friend began to pray for him while reaching for the call button; he didn't believe his prayer would have any effect. As he hit the button, the man stopped hollering, pain gone for good. The man was not a Christian. Go figure. We believers all have faith and don't need faith-plus for God to heal. Aimee Semple healed all kinds of people, heathens and believers alike. God is full of surprises. My wife and I came to faith through our son's illness, and many blessings have come to us as a result. If anything, it brings us closer to Him every day. As for Pastor Price, I saw the public man, glimpsed the private and quit his ministry. As for those slain in the spirit, to my eye some fall because others do. |
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4 | Is "slain in the Spirit" biblical? | Matt 16:6 | gracefull | 91063 | ||
"We believers all have faith and don't need faith-plus for God to heal. Aimee Semple healed all kinds of people, heathens and believers alike. God is full of surprises." "My wife and I came to faith through our son's illness, and many blessings have come to us as a result. If anything, it brings us closer to Him every day." Praise God for your coming to know Him! I will point out that when many of us finally yielded to the call of the Holy Spirit to surrender to the Lord and receive His gift of salvation, had devastating circumstances such as death, divorce, financial loss, drug addictions...But we do not hold onto these simply because they were the breaking point of our resistance to God's love. If addiction brought me to the point of surrender, I will not cling to the alcoholism because scripture tells me that "He who the Son sets free is free indeed". Likewise, just because the heartbreak of illness brought you to your point of surrender, let the Word bring the healing. Isaiah 53 and 54. The horrors of the world were not and are not 'gifts of God' to bring us to repentance. God's goodness brought us to repentance. Roman's 2:4 The circumstances were bad enough that when the Holy Spirit beckoned, we surrendered. Does that make sense? Just pray about it and ask the Lord to show you it these things are true. I agree that we do not need faith-plus something. However, faith must be developed. But I do see your point. Mark 16 says that these signs shall follow them that believe... they shall lay hands on the sick and they shall recover. You have faith, every believer has 'the measure of faith'. Faith grows through the spiritual hearing of the Word. The challenge he gave you IS scriptural. "As for those slain in the spirit, to my eye some fall because others do." I have too, but this does not mean being slain in the Spirit is not genuine. When I find myself watching others and wondering if they are genuine or doubting their walk, I remind myself of what Romans 14:4 says. "Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand." We don't place our faith in ANY other human, but rather in God who is faithful. We just pray for one another. I pray that if they are incorrect, He will correct, and if I am incorrect, correct me... God bless |
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5 | Is "slain in the Spirit" biblical? | Matt 16:6 | flinkywood | 91071 | ||
Like Paul's thorn and Jesus' prayer ("take this cup..."), sometimes the blessing is in what He witholds and in what happens to our hearts in response to His witholding. It's sometimes so poignant, the feeling that comes from this attitude. Besides, how can I know all that He is actually witholding? (Rom 8:28) "And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose." As for believing or doubting the genuineness our brethren's actions, I think we are asked to hone, not relinquish our critical objectivity. Discernment is highly scriptural. (Phi 1:9) "And this I pray, that your love may abound still more and more in real knowledge and all discernment," Thanks for your thoughts, Graceful. Colin. |
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6 | Is "slain in the Spirit" biblical? | Matt 16:6 | gracefull | 91219 | ||
"Like Paul's thorn and Jesus' prayer ("take this cup..."), sometimes the blessing is in what He witholds and in what happens to our hearts in response to His witholding. It's sometimes so poignant, the feeling that comes from this attitude." I addressed the subject of Paul's 'thorn'in the thread beginning with ID# 81017 While I agree with this understanding of God's disciplining and guiding us, Paul's thorn was not sickness and desease. And I believe to add sickness and desease when none of the words in the text indicate such is mistranslating these verses. As a matter of fact in this post I took the entire BOOK and could not find one place where Paul uses the words suffering, or enduring in relationship to sickness and desease. I believe the subject of sickness and desease are addressed in Isaiah 53:4 and 1 Peter 2:24 completely. Persecutions, afflictions, and other attacks of the enemy (be they spirit or man prompted by spirit) are the 'sufferings with Christ' we can expect. Besides, how can I know all that He is actually witholding? (Rom 8:28) "And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose." In context: 26 In the same way the Spirit also helps our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words; 27 and He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He intercedes for the saints according to the will of God. 28 And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose. 29 For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; 30 and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified. 31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us? Pay close attention to verse 29...predestined to be conformed to the image of Christ Jesus...Does scripture teach us that Jesus was 'sick or deseased' or does it rather teach us that Jesus HEALED the sick and deseased... This verse does not indicate witholding but rather it indicates the working of the Holy Spirit to turn or work all situations for our good. This in no way means we are to tolerate things in our lives that Jesus has paid the price for. Again, Isaiah 53:4 and 1 Peter 2:24 state that it is not God's will for us to be sick or deseased. Jesus paid the price for our healing. "As for believing or doubting the genuineness our brethren's actions, I think we are asked to hone, not relinquish our critical objectivity. Discernment is highly scriptural. (Phi 1:9) "And this I pray, that your love may abound still more and more in real knowledge and all discernment," I agree that we are to use discernment and work out our own salvation...but what do we do with that discernment? Colin, I appreciate you taking the time to discuss this with me. I do not believe that it is God's will for His children to be bound by sickness and desease. He has provided all we need to walk free from this bondage, Jesus stripes and the Word to teach us this fact. Faith must come through meditation which will bring enlightenment of the Holy Spirit. Odviously you believe God heals, but you seem to doubt that it is His will to heal your son. All I can say is that I believe it is His will, and that He is not witholding healing to teach you and your wife. I do believe we must come to this knowledge before we can receive. May God continue to bless your family my brother. God bless |
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7 | Is "slain in the Spirit" biblical? | Matt 16:6 | flinkywood | 91233 | ||
I believe that if it's His will, my son will be healed on His time, but we won't peg our faith to that fulfillment or let impatience have its way with us. Aimee Semple, who healed thousands, suffered greatly in later life. That's life. If it weren't for suffering, we might never know Him. Thanks for the thinking. Colin. |
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8 | Is "slain in the Spirit" biblical? | Matt 16:6 | gracefull | 91276 | ||
Thank you Colin for our conversation. I would like to leave you with one tiny point to ponder. What is the criteria by which we decide to apply faith to anything? Without the 'pegging' of faith to something it will not happen, but the realization that it is God's will must come first. Continue in the scriptures. The Holy Spirit is the revealer of the will of God for each of us through the Word. God bless! |
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9 | Is "slain in the Spirit" biblical? | Matt 16:6 | flinkywood | 91292 | ||
That's the 64,000-dollar question. See you next time, Graceful. Colin |
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