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1 | Salvation: Instantaneous, progressive? | Ps 68:19 | charis | 28474 | ||
Dear Nolan, Greetings in Jesus' name! So, are sanctification and glorification part of salvation? "So then, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your salvation with fear and trembling; for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure." Philippians 2:12,13 NASB. "Brethren, I do not regard myself as having laid hold of it yet; but one thing I do: forgetting what lies behind and reaching forward to what lies ahead, I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus." Philippians 3:13,14 NASB. "The soul of the sluggard craves and gets nothing, But the soul of the diligent is made fat." Proverbs 13:4 NASB. "Do you not know that those who run in a race all run, but only one receives the prize? Run in such a way that you may win. Everyone who competes in the games exercises self-control in all things. They then do it to receive a perishable wreath, but we an imperishable." 1 Corinthians 9:24,25 NASB. "Therefore let us be diligent to enter that rest, so that no one will fall, through following the same example of disobedience." Hebrews 4:11 NASB. Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, this he will also reap. For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life. Let us not lose heart in doing good, for in due time we will reap if we do not grow weary." Galatians 6:7-9 NASB. "...but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To Him be the glory, both now and to the day of eternity. Amen." 2 Peter 3:18 NASB. Brother, there are more than a few more Scriptures that speak of the pursuit of salvation. None of them are salvation by works! But the holy desire to finish what God has done in our hearts, by serving Him, by giving our wills to Him. God perfects us in this life, to the end of glorification, which is the culmination of our relationship with God. Our God wants us to live a saved life, and is pleased with us when we confirm His work through submission. No one is saying we get saved over and over again. :-) But we ARE saved daily! Peace and joy in Christ Jesus, charis |
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2 | Salvation: Instantaneous, progressive? | Ps 68:19 | Makarios | 28551 | ||
Greetings Randy, Yes, I believe that sanctification is part of our overall salvation, and I believe that sanctification is not finished until we are in the presence of the Lord. However, I disagree with you when you say that "we ARE saved daily!".. Are you saying that we are to be born again and again and again and again??? I believe that all of the Scripture that you have quoted are excellent references to the believer's responsibility to be actively in pursuit of obedience to Christ in the process of sanctification. And you have most graciously included some of the characteristics that we must "model after" while pursuing the obedience of Christ. :-) Also, you have left one of those references out.. Luke 9:23 "Then He said to them all, "If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow Me." [NKJV] But if you are saying that "we ARE saved daily!" and contending that we re-crucify Christ (Heb. 6:6) each and every day, then I believe that you are in error here. Blessings to you, Nolan |
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3 | Salvation: Instantaneous, progressive? | Ps 68:19 | charis | 28568 | ||
Dear Nolan, Greetings in the name of Jesus! I am not saying that we are born again and again. I am not saying that we re-crucify Jesus. Both of those statements imply that we lose are salvation and are in need of another jolt of salvation juice, and I have never said anything of the sort. I have always been a champion of NOT losing salvation, so these statements are far from applicable to my opinion. (not contention:-)) I am saying (again) that I believe that sanctification and glorification are part and parcel of our salvation experience, our still-progressing knowledge of God, and the God-initiated relationship we have with Him to the fulfilling of His purposes. You are saying that salvation is our justification experience, that leads to sanctification, that leads to glorification. Frankly, that doesn't sound too different from what I have been saying all along. (except that you insist on using the word instantaneous) :-) Friend Nolan, why do you keep saying that I am saying that we are born again and again, saved again and again? I do not believe in several tiers of salvation, nor do I believe in a flip-flop relationship with God based on our works. Peace and joy in Christ Jesus, charis |
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