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1 | Tongues?Ecstatic Utterances or Languages | 2 Corinthians | gracefull | 83594 | ||
Transliterated word EAN "if, in case" The fact that Paul is speaking in a hypothetical regarding 'speaking' does not mean that tongues of men and angels is hupothetical. In the context the statment is clearly communicating that these in their greatest extent..ie understand ALL mysteries, and ALL knowledge, and tough he had faith to remove mountains....(Matthew 17:20 confirms that this is possible, "And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you." To have faith to remove mountains is real. The gift of prophesy is real. 1 Corinthians 14:1 "Pursue love, yet desire earnestly spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy." We can understand mysteries: Mark 4:11 "And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:" 1 Cor. 2:7 1 Cor. 15:51 Ephesians 1:9 Ephesians 3:4 " 6:19 Colossians 1:26-27, 4:3 1 Timothy 3:19 Several times in Revelation a 'mystery' was shown to John. Though I give...my goods Though I give...my body to be burned Although I do not have 'proof' that tongues of angels do exist and are available to us, every other example Paul gives here IS provable. In context the emphasis is on the extremist of each ot these 'possible' and 'real' options..it is more reasonable to believe tongues of angels is as real and available as the rest. without love these are unprofitable to me. Why would Paul use an example of a mystical or impossible example to preempt this statement? Even WITH love angelic tongues would be unprofitable to me because they are not an option for me. By implication with love...these would be profitable to me. But if one does not believe in the supernatural work of the Holy Spirit in the operation of the charismata (gifts) today..One cannot be convinced of 'angelic tongues' if one cannot be convinced of 'prophesy' even tough Paul said to desire spiritual gifts..ie the gifts listed and taught of in chapter 12. Gd bless |
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2 | Tongues?Ecstatic Utterances or Languages | 2 Corinthians | Radioman2 | 83596 | ||
Gracefull: In all sincerity, I agree with you when you write: "I do not have 'proof' that tongues of angels do exist and are available to us." That's basically what I've been saying, i.e., "there is no biblical teaching of any special angelic language that people could learn to speak." I do appreciate you and your reply. I appreciate your courtesy and many of the points you've made since you started posting to this forum. It is not my intention to be quarrelsome nor to attack you. I submit the following for your consideration. Not saying this is the final word on the subject, merely asking you to consider it. Grace and peace to you, Radioman2 :-) - - - - - - - - - - - - - "the tongues of men and of[a] angels," '(a) A very earnest amplifying of the matter, as if he said, "IF THERE WERE ANY TONGUES OF ANGELS, and I had them, and did not use them to the benefit of my neighbour, it would be nothing else except a vain and prattling type of babbling."' (The 1599 Geneva Study Bible. Emphasis added.) (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Commentaries/GenevaStudyBible/) - - - - - - - - - - - - - 'and of angels; 'not that angels have tongues in a proper sense, or speak any vocal language, in an audible voice, with articulate sounds; for they are spirits immaterial and incorporeal; though they have an intellectual speech, by which they celebrate the perfections and praises of God, and can discourse with one another, and communicate their minds to each other; see (Isaiah 6:3) (Daniel 8:13). ( . . . ) '[The apostle refers to] the speech of angels, when they have assumed human bodies, and have in them spoke with an audible voice, in articulate sounds; of which we have many instances, both in the Old Testament and the New, wherein they have conversed with divers persons, as Hagar, Abraham, Jacob, Moses, Manoah and his wife, the Virgin Mary, Zechariah, and others; 'unless by the tongues of angels should be meant the most eloquent speech, and most excellent of languages; or if there can be thought to be any tongue that exceeds that of men, which, IF ANGELS SPOKE, they would make use of. Just as the face of angels is used, to express the greatest glory and beauty of the face, or countenance, (Acts 6:15) and angels' bread is used for the most excellent food, (Psalms 78:25) . . .' (John Gill's Exposition of the Bible. Emphasis added. This is not the full quote. I've condensed/edited it due to space limitations. To read more go to: http://bible.crosswalk.com/Commentaries/GillsExpositionoftheBible/) |
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3 | Tongues?Ecstatic Utterances or Languages | 2 Corinthians | gracefull | 83607 | ||
"(a) A very earnest amplifying of the matter, as if he said, "IF THERE WERE ANY TONGUES OF ANGELS," I understand this could be a viable rendering and as this in no way impacts my belief in the current and relavant activity of the gift of tongues, have no problem with either. Your note: 'not that angels have tongues in a proper sense, or speak any vocal language, in an audible voice, with articulate sounds; for they are spirits immaterial and incorporeal; though they have an intellectual speech, by which they celebrate the perfections and praises of God, and can discourse with one another, and communicate their minds to each other; see (Isaiah 6:3) (Daniel 8:13). Isaiah 6:3 And one called out to another and said, Holy, Holy, Holy, is the LORD of hosts, The whole earth is full of His glory." Strong's #559 Called "answer, call, command, misc., promised, said, speak, tell" Daniel 8:13 13 Then I heard a holy one speaking, and another holy one said to that particular one who was speaking, "How long will the vision about the regular sacrifice apply, while the transgression causes horror, so as to allow both the holy place and the host to be trampled?" I strongly disagree with this statement. I can't see mental telepathy even being vaguely implied. Strong's #559-Speaking 'answer, call, command, misc., promised, said, speak, tell' Clearly NOT telepaty or body language or any other form of noverbal communication. Your note: " '[The apostle refers to] the speech of angels, when they have assumed human bodies, and have in them spoke with an audible voice, in articulate sounds; of which we have many instances, both in the Old Testament and the New, wherein they have conversed with divers persons, as Hagar, Abraham, Jacob, Moses, Manoah and his wife, the Virgin Mary, Zechariah, and others;" I strongly disagree with this statement. Although I readily see where demonic spirits speak through humans, where in scripture does the angel speaking/ wrestling with Jacob or speaking with the virgin Mary was angels assuming human bodies? "'unless by the tongues of angels should be meant the most eloquent speech, and most excellent of languages; or if there can be thought to be any tongue that exceeds that of men, which, IF ANGELS SPOKE, they would make use of. Just as the face of angels is used, to express the greatest glory and beauty of the face, or countenance, (Acts 6:15) and angels' bread is used for the most excellent food, (Psalms 78:25) . . .'" Possible but one would have to still view them as 'gifts of tongues' or 'unlearned' or 'unknown' languages as this is the subject of the text. God bless |
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4 | Tongues?Ecstatic Utterances or Languages | 2 Corinthians | Radioman2 | 83609 | ||
Gracefull: I do believe that the gifts of the Spirit, including the gift of tongues, are still in operation today. I do NOT believe in the cessation of the gifts of the Spirit. I also believe and practice what it says in 1 Corinthians 14:39-40: NASB 1 Corinthians 14 39 Therefore, my brethren, desire earnestly to prophesy, and do not forbid to speak in tongues. 40 But all things must be done properly and in an orderly manner. NIV 1 Corinthians 14 39 Therefore, my brothers, be eager to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues. 40 But everything should be done in a fitting and orderly way. Grace and peace, Radioman2 |
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5 | Tongues?Ecstatic Utterances or Languages | 2 Corinthians | gracefull | 83621 | ||
Our God truly is good and worthy of ALL praise.. God bless |
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