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1 | Does speaking in tongues come naturally? | Acts | Ken hepting | 91935 | ||
"If one was alone, I don't know if there was a need to use any of the gifts, since it is for the one body ... if together, we should exercise our gift(s) and not try to exercise the gifts we do not have (vv 12-31)." Can't agree, Searcher. Tongues for the church is always to be accompanied by interpretation, of should be----unless you are moved to just pray in tongues, quietly in church, which is different and no interpretation is needed. Tongues is most used in an interccessory way. If you think about, when asked to pray, you really don't how to for a given situation, but the Holy Spirit does. I know folk who pray aloud, in tongues, moved by the Holy Spirit, for hours. Many times the Lord reveals what He is going to do to that one who is obediently yeilded and stands in the gap. Many times there comes presence to wonderful to express in english. Paul experienced such a thing in 2 Corth 12.2 "I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven..... and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter." I realize this is not tongues speaking but lets just not dismiss the supernaturalness of the Holy Spirit out of hand in the matter of tongues speaking just because we look for an excuse not to participate in something we're told is extremism/extrabiblical. Get a better teacher, it's not. It should be normal for the Christian experience that requires power to mature unto 'sonship'. |
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2 | Does speaking in tongues come naturally? | Acts | Searcher56 | 91945 | ||
Justme ... My point was we would have a hard time exercising our spiritual gifts if alone ... it is for the benifit of the body. If we pray in a another tongue, unknown to us, but known to another ... what benifit is it to our mind (1 Cor 14)? Searcher |
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3 | Does speaking in tongues come naturally? | Acts | Ken hepting | 91960 | ||
Justme ... My point was we would have a hard time exercising our spiritual gifts if alone ... it is for the benifit of the body. If we pray in a another tongue, unknown to us, but known to another ... what benifit is it to our mind (1 Cor 14)? Searcher --------------------------------- Why does it have to benefit your mind? Isn't it sufficient to know the Holy Spirit is praying through you for the benefit of the Father's purpose? His business is what it is all about. If you have the mind of the Father why is your mind an issue here? That's part of what people don't understand about praying with the Spirit and in the Spirit. |
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4 | Does He pray thru us, or us thru Him? | Acts | Searcher56 | 91978 | ||
Ken hepting, Why does it have to benefit your mind? Then when does pray ... it is a mindless activity. Where does The Bible say "the Holy Spirit is praying through you"? |
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5 | Does He pray thru us, or us thru Him? | Acts | Ken hepting | 91983 | ||
Ken hepting, Why does it have to benefit your mind? Then when does pray ... it is a mindless activity". ---------------------------------- A Spiritual thing to be sure with your mind not getting in the way. Haven't you ever attempted to pray with your mind/your understanding about a given matter and for some reason get bombarded with all sorts of stuff totally unrelated, some of it filth? That's Satan. That's how he is able to get to us. Of course he needs to be resisted but when praying in the Spirit he can't go there. He's not allowed. He also has no idea what'a being prayed to the Father since it is a Holy Ghost activity within you taking place. You could assume he doesn't know the language either. Satan can only act upon what we give him access to through our 5 senses. Speaking in tongues is not of them. "Where does The Bible say "the Holy Spirit is praying through you"? Contextually the The NT says so. --Jn 17, "that they be one as we are one". When Paul says I pray with the understanding and with the Spirit also. He speaking of tongues when he says this or else he can't mean Spirit because his mind and understanding would still be active. Isa.28.9-12 "Who is it he is trying to teach? To whom is he explaining his message? To children weaned from their milk, to those just taken from the breast? For it is: Do and do, do and do, rule on rule, rule on rule ; a little here, a little there." Very well then, with foreign lips and strange tongues God will speak to this people, to whom he said, "This is the resting place, let the weary rest"; and, "This is the place of repose"-- but they would not listen...NIV. Joel 2.28,29 'And afterward, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your old men will dream dreams, your young men will see visions. Even on my servants, both men and women, I will pour out my Spirit 'in those days'. "In those days" is here, is now. Is it happening where you are? If not are you one of them who make excuses? Never forget that we who born again and have had our Pentecostal experience are conduits through which the Holy Spirit 'should' function. That's what Pentecost was all about. |
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6 | Does He pray thru us, or us thru Him? | Acts | Searcher56 | 92033 | ||
You said "all sorts of stuff totally unrelated, some of it filth? That's Satan" Well, I agree that the filth is Satan ... however, when I pray, I am open to the Holy Spirit and the Father, for they may prompt me to pray for someone. I let the person know and they weer standing in a need of prayer. I am preplexed by "Holy Ghost activity within you taking place" ... Romans 8:26-27 comes to mind, where we pray, then He intercedes (sometimes). While He is within us ... I believe He is in communication with the father ... He is groaning, which is not a language and the Father knows His mind. John 17 does not say or imply "the Holy Spirit is praying through you" ... this is about us being one with the Father, as Christ is one with Him. The Holy Spirit is seen in chapter 16. Both Isaiah and Joel are prophecies for Israel ... lokk at the context. By the way, Satan started the "language" spoken in some churches. Searcher |
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7 | Does He pray thru us, or us thru Him? | Acts | Ken hepting | 92084 | ||
"You said "all sorts of stuff totally unrelated, some of it filth? That's Satan" Well, I agree that the filth is Satan ... however, when I pray, I am open to the Holy Spirit and the Father, for they may prompt me to pray for someone. I let the person know and they weer standing in a need of prayer." But your mind is also open to the prompting and intrusion of Satan. I'm sure if you pray you are aware of that. Praying in the Spirit blocks him out. You are giving your reborn spirit complete access to the Father for the Holy Spirit to pray what really needs to be said in the prayer. And not just what YOU think the prayer should be all about. In the process of being yeilded like that to the Holy Spirit something happens in you that edifies and builds you up in your faith. A deposit of God Himself is made manifest in you for you to become more than what you were. This is the change He makes in us and that is to make us more accute to whats happening around us in our circumstances that we be made perfect in Him, having His mind as Jesus did and be sustained by it. --------------------------------- "Both Isaiah and Joel are prophecies for Israel ... lokk at the context." And? So who do you suppose would be there on the day of Pentecost but Jews? "But the promise-Acts 2.39--is for you and your children and for all who are far off--for all whom the Lord our God will call."-------That means you and me. --------------------------- "By the way, Satan started the "language" spoken in some churches." Some churches? Sorry, but you'll have to be more specific than that. That's been unfound except maybe in his own and used by many as an excuse for unbelief held in pride. |
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8 | Does He pray thru us, or us thru Him? | Acts | Searcher56 | 92087 | ||
Satan does not get interfere with my prayer, for I am focused on my God. If you pray in a tongue, your mind is unfruitful ... so how do you know (using your mind) if Satan is intruting? At Pentecost, Peter spoke only to the Jews ... therefore, it applies to them. Their children are Jews, too. Gentile belivers are not children of Jewish belivers ... they are children of God. The "language" spoken in some churches was not copied by Satan ... but, the church copied it. I have posted this several times. Moreover, I wonder if anyone has taken the time to do a linguistic study on the "language" ... if not, is it just babbling? |
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9 | Does He pray thru us, or us thru Him? | Acts | Ken hepting | 92108 | ||
"Satan does not get interfere with my prayer, for I am focused on my God. If you pray in a tongue, your mind is unfruitful ... so how do you know (using your mind) if Satan is intruting?" You mean to the best of your ability, correct. You being 'totally focused' is untrue. You aren't capable in your humanity to do that. Too much interferes with what we'd like to do, i.e., cares of life and pressures.. Re-read Roms 7 and 8 again, for the first time. ---------------------------- At Pentecost, Peter spoke only to the Jews ... therefore, it applies to them. Their children are Jews, too. Gentile belivers are not children of Jewish belivers ... they are children of God. And who are the children of God but the promised seed of Abraham. i.e., all those in Christ? Are you not a child of God? Is that what you are saying? ----------------------------- "The "language" spoken in some churches was not copied by Satan ... but, the church copied it. I have posted this several times." ---Really? I should like to have been around when you posted it serveral times. Tell me what I missed that is, no doubt, very wrong. ------------------------------------ "Moreover, I wonder if anyone has taken the time to do a linguistic study on the "language" ... if not, is it just babbling?" Wrong again! That "babbling" you speak of has been understood by the specific hearer to whom the word OF GOD was spoken. I personally know of too many instances where this is true. Even to my myself has the word of God come that I completely understood though the speaker of that word had no understanding at all....sometimes even to whom it was meant for. So you see the one who speaks is the yielded one in obedience to the Holy Spirit's leading and prompting. It's not the speakers business to know what the word is or to whom it is meant for except as the Holy Spirit permits. So I would be REAL CAREFUL as to what I attribute to Satan. I have had my mail read to me many times. I also know from a brother who couldn't write his own name 'intellectually', who gave a prophetic utterance in an unknown tongue in a congregation of 5-600 that was received by the hearer clear across the room it was meant for as something spoken to him in German. He understood it, yet could not speak German himself. ......Unknown tongues to both. So the one who prays in the Spirit doesn't need to know what the Spirit is saying and the hearer, well he just has to "hear". Excerising yourself in the Spirit of God should take place after you have thanked Him for the priviledge, made your petitions, and then begin to worship Him in adoration/praise and thanksgiving with the mind and with tongues, 'praying in or 'with' the Spirit'. Remember your needs are already known to Him. |
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10 | Ken, The Chrurch differs from Israel? | Acts | Searcher56 | 92121 | ||
Ken hepting, While I may be humanly incapable of being totally focused, I can with the Holy Spirit. I need to get away in a quiet place, being still ... yet, not speak in another tongue ... tho I do speak in Japanese. -- Is the Chrurch different from Israel? ... I am a child of God, as a memeber of the Chruch ... but not a Jew. -- I do agree and have seen people speak in a tongue unknown to them, and most of the people ... but known to just a few. There was an interpeter, always. On Satan / Tounges enter 48618 under Quick Search. Since then I have found out Satan has been doing this for many centuries before the church. -- Where does the Bible say "worship Him in adoration/praise and thanksgiving with the mind and with tongues" Searcher |
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11 | Ken, The Chrurch differs from Israel? | Acts | Ken hepting | 92135 | ||
'Where does the Bible say "worship Him in adoration/praise and thanksgiving with the mind and with tongues" Why wouldn't you want to, but did I say "tongues"? Did I say the mind, for that matter. |
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12 | Ken, The Chrurch differs from Israel? | Acts | Searcher56 | 92147 | ||
Prove it by Scripture ... I know it is not in my Bible. Worship is very specific. | ||||||
13 | Ken, The Chrurch differs from Israel? | Acts | Ken hepting | 92158 | ||
What's your point? I don't know what I'm supposed to respond to. | ||||||
14 | Ken, The Chrurch differs from Israel? | Acts | Searcher56 | 92159 | ||
Where does the Bible say "worship Him in adoration/praise and thanksgiving with the mind and with tongues" and what is the relationship between Israel and the Church? Cite Scripture. |
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