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1 | Saved by belief or belief and baptism? | NT general Archive 1 | mark d seyler | 164231 | ||
Hi Coty, Welcome to the Forum! If I understand you correctly, you have said that you believe baptism is a requirement for forgivness of sins. But then you later said that you believed a person could still be saved without baptism. Would that not mean that baptism is not required? When I say required, I mean it in the sense that Jesus' atoning sacrifice, and later resurrection, is required. If Jesus didn't die for our sins, and then rise from the dead, then we are still in our sins. To say that baptism is required, then we must say that the person who is not baptized is still in their sins. If a person can be cleansed of their sins without baptism, then baptism is not required. Would you agree with that statement? Mind you, I believe baptism is an important part of our obedience to our Lord, and I am not meaning to downplay it's importance. On you example of the 1000 dollar check, I would liken salvation to direct deposit. Ephesians 2 tells us we are saved by faith, and not of works (not just works of the Law of Moses, but any works). Baptism is a work, therefore, how could it save us? Regarding James 2:24, James is contrasting two different things for us, the first is faith that doesn't have works, and the second is faith that does have works. Look back to vs. 14. It is the faith that does not have works that is not able to save. James is telling us a quality of saving faith. Truly, God considers faith complete when it shows itself by works, but notice, before Abraham offered Isaac, it is written of him, "He believed God, and it was credited to him for righteousness.(Gen 15:6) - more like direct deposit ;-) Finally, one last item. If baptism is required for salvation, how does that square with: Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. For a doctrine to be true, it must not conflict with Any Scripture, and this passage in Romans is simple and plain. He does not say that it is faith and works that saves. He says that it is faith that has works that saves. We are saved by grace through faith, and not of works. Having been saved, we then do works because we are saved, and one of those first works should be baptism. Again, welcome to the Forum! This has been a much discussed subject, and you can read these discussions by entering "baptism" in the search box. Love in Christ, mark |
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2 | Saved by belief or belief and baptism? | NT general Archive 1 | jlhetrick | 164246 | ||
Hello Mark, Very well explained. Thank you! |
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