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1 | Who, besides the elect of God,are saved? | Rom 10:9 | Reformer Joe | 74912 | ||
"Joe are you going to deny that within the Calvinistic ranks there aren't those that take the approach (rightly or wrongly) that since it is all predestined there is not much use in evangelism?" Did you miss my earlier post? I acknowledged that people do indeed (wrongly) take elements of Reformed theology and justify disobedience to Christ. Reformed theology as a whole mitigates against such a life, but some take the parts they like to support inactive spiritual lives. I also mentioned that an Arminian can (wrongly) decide not to evangelize the "hard cases" because of an assumption that such individuals will never willingly come to the cross. Are there not Arminians like that? Would you consider the possibility of such misinterpretation a reason for abandoning what you consider to be biblical? Assuming your answer is "no," why should I reject what I consider to be biblical just because some people might twist it and use it as an excuse for disobedience? "If I use scripture you complain I'm proof texting..." Example? "...interpreting wrong or just too stupid to understand." Show me once where I have referred to you as "stupid." What I HAVE said is that you often do not speak from authority on a particular subject. When you say that Luther didn't hold to predestination or that there were 100 years between Luther and Calvin or that the PCUSA is an example of the result of adhering to the theology of the Reformation or that Calvinism inevitable leads to the death of evangelism, you simply show yourself to be wrong. Not stupid, but definitely wrong --as wrong as if you had posted that 2 plus 2 is 71. I would never call you stupid, but I would definitely encourage you to get your facts right before recklessly posting the anti-Calvinist propaganda. "When I give you scripture you change the meaning and say the words don't really mean what they say." When have I done this? "If I complain about the doctrine I have to be disparaging a saint." No, it is when you are disparaging the saints that I do call you out on the carpet. Criticize Calvinism all you wish from a Scriptural point of view, but saying that I hold to blasphemy (along with the list of saints you still haven't touched with a ten-foot pole) is not doctrinal critique, but uncivil invective. " If I examine the saint I'm character assassinating." Examining the saint? Is that what you call what you have been saying about Calvin and Calvinists in the past couple of days? What if I said the same things of you that you have said of Reformed individuals the last couple of days. Honestly, go back and take a look! "And short of remaining silent and letting you prattle on nothing has worked." Prattling? Yes, truly a saintly "examination"... Please go back up the thread and see where I "stepped in" to this conversation. What prompted me to do so? Take a step back and seriously examine your own motives and your own heart and your own words, Ed. Do they glorify Jesus Christ? --Joe! |
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2 | Who, besides the elect of God,are saved? | Rom 10:9 | Emmaus | 74921 | ||
Ed, Joe and John, If I may be so bold, I would like to seriously recommend to all of you a book. It is: The Spirit and Forms of Protestanism by Louis Bouyer. You will all likely find the first six chapters very agreeable, chapters seven and eight less so, but they will shed a great deal of light on why you are having the same argument over and over again. I realize my recommendation may sink like a stone into oblivion, but it is a great book and not a light read. If you get it keep your Hi-Liters handy. Emmaus |
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