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1 | Who, besides the elect of God,are saved? | Rom 10:9 | Reformer Joe | 74893 | ||
"If I say anything you will come back and accuse me of character assassination, as you have in the past. Besides the thread is thankfully restricted and there is no need to defend against this convolution of scripture." You have already called Calvinism "blasphemy," which makes me and every other Calvinist saint in church history a "blasphemer" as a result. The character assasination and maligning of one's brothers in Christ has already been done. I merely wanted to point you once again to the illogical conclusions of throwing inappropriate words around. You complain about how Calvinism kills thriving Christian ministries, and yet you have provided not a single example of this happening. You complain about the ineffectiveness that Calvinism inspires, yet when I bring up a list of prominent, productive, and effective saints who are Calvinists, you have failed to apply your accusations to them. Who is really the one on a smear campaign here, Ed? We were talking about Scripture? It has been a long time since I have seen you include one in your posts. You will never succeed in your anti-Calvinist tirade, so why don't you resolve to live peaceably with those of us who will indeed be inhabiting heaven with you rather than condemning us as blasphemers? --Joe! |
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2 | Who, besides the elect of God,are saved? | Rom 10:9 | EdB | 74899 | ||
Joe I don't think if you get tricked into believing in Calvinism it makes you blasphemer I think it makes you deceived or at least mislead. Joe are you going to deny that within the Calvinistic ranks there aren't those that take the approach (rightly or wrongly) that since it is all predestined there is not much use in evangelism? Are you also going to say by me saying this, it is a smear campaign rather than a valid complaint against the possible effects of the this teaching. If I use scripture you complain I'm proof texting, interpreting wrong or just too stupid to understand. When I give you scripture you change the meaning and say the words don't really mean what they say. If I complain about the doctrine I have to be disparaging a saint. If I examine the saint I'm character assassinating. Joe you stack the table so that whatever I do short of agreeing with you is committing some grievous act. In my opinion you have never approached this subject as a learning experience but instead in an attempt to indoctrinate others to your thinking. I have repeatedly said I think there is some validity to Calvin’s view of salvation but that he has missed a vital ingredient as has every other attempt to explain the process. I sought some from of compromise, of agree to disagree of anything way to stop this endless and totally ridiculous exchange. And short of remaining silent and letting you prattle on nothing has worked. Joe give it a rest!!!! EdB |
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3 | Who, besides the elect of God,are saved? | Rom 10:9 | Reformer Joe | 74912 | ||
"Joe are you going to deny that within the Calvinistic ranks there aren't those that take the approach (rightly or wrongly) that since it is all predestined there is not much use in evangelism?" Did you miss my earlier post? I acknowledged that people do indeed (wrongly) take elements of Reformed theology and justify disobedience to Christ. Reformed theology as a whole mitigates against such a life, but some take the parts they like to support inactive spiritual lives. I also mentioned that an Arminian can (wrongly) decide not to evangelize the "hard cases" because of an assumption that such individuals will never willingly come to the cross. Are there not Arminians like that? Would you consider the possibility of such misinterpretation a reason for abandoning what you consider to be biblical? Assuming your answer is "no," why should I reject what I consider to be biblical just because some people might twist it and use it as an excuse for disobedience? "If I use scripture you complain I'm proof texting..." Example? "...interpreting wrong or just too stupid to understand." Show me once where I have referred to you as "stupid." What I HAVE said is that you often do not speak from authority on a particular subject. When you say that Luther didn't hold to predestination or that there were 100 years between Luther and Calvin or that the PCUSA is an example of the result of adhering to the theology of the Reformation or that Calvinism inevitable leads to the death of evangelism, you simply show yourself to be wrong. Not stupid, but definitely wrong --as wrong as if you had posted that 2 plus 2 is 71. I would never call you stupid, but I would definitely encourage you to get your facts right before recklessly posting the anti-Calvinist propaganda. "When I give you scripture you change the meaning and say the words don't really mean what they say." When have I done this? "If I complain about the doctrine I have to be disparaging a saint." No, it is when you are disparaging the saints that I do call you out on the carpet. Criticize Calvinism all you wish from a Scriptural point of view, but saying that I hold to blasphemy (along with the list of saints you still haven't touched with a ten-foot pole) is not doctrinal critique, but uncivil invective. " If I examine the saint I'm character assassinating." Examining the saint? Is that what you call what you have been saying about Calvin and Calvinists in the past couple of days? What if I said the same things of you that you have said of Reformed individuals the last couple of days. Honestly, go back and take a look! "And short of remaining silent and letting you prattle on nothing has worked." Prattling? Yes, truly a saintly "examination"... Please go back up the thread and see where I "stepped in" to this conversation. What prompted me to do so? Take a step back and seriously examine your own motives and your own heart and your own words, Ed. Do they glorify Jesus Christ? --Joe! |
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4 | Who, besides the elect of God,are saved? | Rom 10:9 | Emmaus | 74921 | ||
Ed, Joe and John, If I may be so bold, I would like to seriously recommend to all of you a book. It is: The Spirit and Forms of Protestanism by Louis Bouyer. You will all likely find the first six chapters very agreeable, chapters seven and eight less so, but they will shed a great deal of light on why you are having the same argument over and over again. I realize my recommendation may sink like a stone into oblivion, but it is a great book and not a light read. If you get it keep your Hi-Liters handy. Emmaus |
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