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1 | Who, besides the elect of God,are saved? | Rom 10:9 | EdB | 74839 | ||
John You keep ignoring the basic truth in John 3:16 for God so loved the world He gave His only begotten Son that whoever believed in Him would not perish. All you words, all your proof text fail to prove that is not true. I know you want to apply selective reasoning and transform world to elect, and belief in to gospel understanding. But that is not what the passage says. That is not what happened on the cross. That is not what happened to Saul on the road to Damacus Now unless you can prove world means elect, and belief means knowledge of the gospel you really have nothing more to say. Or so imbedded in your belief you can't read a basic truth such as John 3:16 without applying meanings that aren't there. EdB |
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2 | Who, besides the elect of God,are saved? | Rom 10:9 | John Reformed | 74852 | ||
Dear Ed, Despite your protestations, I think you really enjoy discussing how and why we have been saved! So do I. :-). As long as we do so graciously, I am sure our Lord is pleased. You wrote:"You keep ignoring the basic truth in John 3:16 for God so loved the world He gave His only begotten Son that whoever believed in Him would not perish. All you words, all your proof text fail to prove that is not true." Now...as to your contention that I ignore John 3:16, I really don't believe I have. Nevertheless, I will attempt to provide you with my understanding which differs a bit from your own. (Do you really think I am trying to prove that a verse of Scripture is NOT true?) God forbid it! John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. Jesus is saying that it is the love of God alone, for all the inhabitants of the earth, that He sent His Son among us to die in behalf of those who would place their faith and trust in Him. "whoever" means anyone. God does not take pleasure in the destruction of unbelievers. So we see that it is the loving mercy of God and not human merit that is the cause of His sending Christ (while we were still sinners, Christ died for the ungodly). Why then, if God loves everyone and desires all to be saved, is anyone lost? The answer is the requirement of believing in Christ unto salvation; Only believers are saved. The question then is, Why do some believe but others do not believe? For the answer to that question we need to examine those verses which speak to that subject. I have not been ignoring John 3:16, but looking at other passages (1 cor 2:14; 2 cor 4:4,5 and John 6:44) to find the answer. I hope this clears up some of the difficulties you seem to have with my beliefs. John |
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3 | Who, besides the elect of God,are saved? | Rom 10:9 | EdB | 74866 | ||
John You again you render the meaning of John 3:16 to be different by your attempt to force meanings on 1 Cor. 2:14, 2 cor 4:4,5 and John 6:44 that are not there. It is talking about the unregenerate before they have accepted Christ, not that they can't accept Christ. The reason some are saved and some aren't. Is rebellion and faith, some exercise their faith and believe the word says we are all given a measure and others won't take their salvation by faith. No I don't enjoy this, I do it because I can/will not let this blasphemous doctrine go unchallenged. I have seen to many lives destroyed by it. Look at the mess the denomination is in that holds to this deception. EdB |
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4 | Who, besides the elect of God,are saved? | Rom 10:9 | Reformer Joe | 74876 | ||
"I have seen to many lives destroyed by it." Give me some examples. "Look at the mess the denomination is in that holds to this deception." Which denomination are you referring to here? --Joe! |
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5 | Who, besides the elect of God,are saved? | Rom 10:9 | EdB | 74882 | ||
Joe The one that holds this doctrine, ordains open homosexuals, has no problem with abortion, and winks at divorce. The one with declining membership and even faster declining clergy. Besides this thread is thankfully restricted and there is no need for me to further proclaim the truth EdB |
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6 | Who, besides the elect of God,are saved? | Rom 10:9 | Reformer Joe | 74892 | ||
If you are talking about the Presbyterian Church U.S.A., they have not only largely abandoned Calvinism, but has largely abandoned Scripture as an infallibe standard for faith and practice. The apostasy of many PCUSA churches comes from the influence of liberalism in the nineteenth century, and many, many PCUSA members and pastors would applaud your attacking Reformation theology the way you are. In other words, those homosexual, aborting, divorcing members of that denomination are on YOUR side on this one. Blaming Calvin for the liberalism of the PCUSA is as foolish as blaming the liberal tendencies within the United Methodist Church on John Wesley. Perhaps it is time for you to stop "proclaiming the truth," because frankly your keystrokes are outpacing your knowledge. If you think that the PCUSA by and large is a bastion of 5-point Calvinism, then you really do need to do your homework better! Now if you want to pour more gasoline on the fire by continuing to post factual error, then be my guest. Just don't go crying "abuse" when you are shown to not know what you are talking about. --Joe! |
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7 | Who, besides the elect of God,are saved? | Rom 10:9 | EdB | 74896 | ||
Joe Perhaps Joe you would see fit to reveal who is this bastion of Calvinsim if it ain't the Presbyterians with or without the initials. EdB |
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8 | Who, besides the elect of God,are saved? | Rom 10:9 | John Reformed | 74911 | ||
Hi ED, We belong to different denominations. The PCA left the USA when liberalism and arminianism began to erode it's historical roots. I'm sure that a good Southern Baptist like Hank would not want to be confused with those who call themselves Baptist but members of the liberal left. People for the American Way. Just as all of us who go by the name "christian" cringe when cults like the Mormans claim to be christian as well. John |
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9 | Who, besides the elect of God,are saved? | Rom 10:9 | EdB | 74952 | ||
John :-) EdB |
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