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1 | how to be saved | Rom 10:9 | Reformer Joe | 74815 | ||
"Perhaps you will take the time to enlighten me as to when the thief on the cross was schooled in theology and taught the Gospel. Yet the Lord said this day you will be with Me in paradise." The gospel was made known to the thief. Here is the exchange, and keep in mind they are dying on crosses as they are speaking: 'But the other answered, and rebuking him said, "Do you not even fear God, since you are under the same sentence of condemnation? And we indeed are suffering justly, for we are receiving what we deserve for our deeds; but this man has done nothing wrong." And he was saying, "Jesus, remember me when You come in Your kingdom!"' --Luke 23:40-42 He knew of Jesus' sinlessness, and the fact that Jesus was coming into His kingdom even as His life was slipping away. Seems that in some ways the thief grasped the gospel better than some of the Twelve did. He didn't go to seminary, but the Holy Spirit did His work in the thief. You wrote: "Man can understand the sin in his life and the need for salvation. He can be shown that Jesus died for his sins and that by believing in Jesus for his salvation he will not perish." The Bible says: "For to us God revealed them through the Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God....But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised." --1 Corinthians 2:10, 14 A person can be SHOWN something, but that is different than saying someone receives it as personal truth. People can even recognize the gospel without embracing it (James 2:19). I know plenty of people who can explain the gospel back to me quite well but who reject it either as truth or as something they do not want. And it is the personal trust in Christ by faith that is the result of the Spirit's work. You wrote: "Who besides the elect of God are saved? As the name implies no one, once you are saved your become God's elect." So your answer to John's question is "no one"? Please correct me if I have misunderstood. You wrote: "Your whole premise of election is so nonsensical it would be humorous if it weren’t for the fact that there are those that believe it and stop having a productive life in Christ." Ed, would you mind sharing for me exactly who these people are? Believing it certainly didn't slow down the Puritans or William Carey or John Newton or William Wilberforce or Adoniram Judson or Jonathan Edwards or Charles Spurgeon or Francis Schaeffer or John MacArthur (or Reformer Joe, for that matter). Who are all of these once-productive individuals shipwrecked by a CLEAR understanding of Reformation theology? Thanks! --Joe! |
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2 | how to be saved | Rom 10:9 | EdB | 74836 | ||
Joe Your right I said no one. Elect describes a person that has chosen Salvation. It is not the verb you claim it to be. Tim has repeatedly shown you that. Now let's move on. EdB |
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