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NASB | 1 John 3:2 Beloved, now we are children of God, and it has not appeared as yet what we will be. We know that when He appears, we will be like Him, because we will see Him just as He is. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | 1 John 3:2 Beloved, we are [even here and] now children of God, and it is not yet made clear what we will be [after His coming]. We know that when He comes and is revealed, we will [as His children] be like Him, because we will see Him just as He is [in all His glory]. |
Subject: Actual bodies in heaven? |
Bible Note: Bill, First of many points and perhaps most importantly, you responded to nothing I said previously. I mean this in the sense that you apparently had no ability to show those scriptures either invalid, or misrepresented by myself. If you and I are actually going to arrive anywhere in a discussion, those points must be dealt with. Because a trust in scripture is the only starting point we could possibly have. Now, you did respond to what I said in another sense, in that you suggested to me that the implications of what I am saying would not be something I hold to and therefore I myself must abandon the statement because of that. That appears to me to be your logic in your last post. Your critiques however show that you do not understand any of what a person with my views actually believes. I'd like to state a few that would help with some of your specific objections. I'm not going to spend the time scripture hunting for all these, I have no illusions of convincing you of anything at this point, I merely want to give you a hint of what scripture teaches in these things. First, the Old Testament Law consists of two parts, the moral law and the ceremonial law. The moral law consists of right and wrong, the cermonial law were simply temporary ordinances which were meant to depict what was coming in Christ. When Christ came, he did away with the ceremonial law because all these were pointing to something coming in Him. (I say these things not from picking and choosing but because this is what scripture says about itself) So things like eating regulations, sowing a field with two seeds, mixed cloths in clothing, sacrificial system, all this was done away with. The laws concerning right and wrong and morality however remain in a sense. The reason being, that even though Christ has destroyed the law's ability to condemn those who have faith in Christ, the moral law is still a picture of perfect righteousness, and hence how are we to dicard something such as that? Another major problem is you seem to be unable to grasp the concept of one time commands. You remarked that we would need to kill our enemies such as Moses or Joshua. Surely anybody of any intelligence at all can see that in such passages God is commanding the death of certain particular sinners by the hands of His people rather than commanding some holy jihad against our enemies! Lets not throw out such silly statements as we discuss these things, for you know that there is no compulsion to see scripture in that way. In short, the fact that scripture is all or none does not mean to rob scripture of its own sense of progressive revelation that it teaches! The scripture shows us how to interpret such things, so believeing all of scripture to be inerrant forces none of the silly things that you are accusing us of. Also, with regards to Jesus' gospel we certainly should not take his Isaiah teaching as a comprehensive explination of His gospel! Jesus Himself never even said as much, he simply said that today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing. You seem to be completely unaware of all the many statements Jesus said concerning those who believe in him have life and those who do not don't. He fleshes out His Gospel in many places in his own teachings, friend. There is so many things you are saying to correct that I can not hope to correct them all, and even if I could you would not hear because you begin with the most fundamental error of all. That God's word is not trustworthy. Oh, and yes, I do believe 5 point calvinism, and I think you'll find it in the gospel of John if you want to hear it from Jesus. A good deal of it can be found in John chapter 6. In Love, Beja |