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NASB | 1 John 3:2 Beloved, now we are children of God, and it has not appeared as yet what we will be. We know that when He appears, we will be like Him, because we will see Him just as He is. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | 1 John 3:2 Beloved, we are [even here and] now children of God, and it is not yet made clear what we will be [after His coming]. We know that when He comes and is revealed, we will [as His children] be like Him, because we will see Him just as He is [in all His glory]. |
Subject: Actual bodies in heaven? |
Bible Note: Hi Beja. Let me start with the end of your post first. Oops, wait, I need a scriptural reference, right? Okay, "the first shall be last and the last shall be first." Ha ha! Just kidding! I DO have a sense of humor. I am not at all suggesting that every Christian through history must be deluded or not intelligent or trumped by be or needing correction. We all stand on the shoulders of others, don't we? What I am suggestion is that the church, from time to time, gets caught up in traditions and the doctrines of men that lead it away from the teachings of Jesus. Do you doubt this? Do you think the bodily ascension of Mary is something Jesus taught? Do you think that indulgences is part of Jesus' teaching? Do you think that 5-Point Calvinism is the thrust of Jesus' gospel? Do you think that the "Name-It-And-Claim-It" message of contemporary Christianity is the heart of Jesus' message? I don't think these church doctrines are part of Jesus' gospel. And neither do I believe that Paul's understanding of the gospel is exactly what Jesus taught. Read Jesus' inaugeral address given after his baptism from the book of Isaiah. It has nothing to do with his death and resurrection. It has to do with helping the poor, healing the sick, setting captives free, proclaiming liberty. This was JESUS' gospel. If we don't recognize this, then, yes, we have chosen Paul and ignored Jesus himself. Now, if "scripture is an all or none" deal, then ALL of scripture is binding on you, Beja. This means you are under Mosaic law, levitical law, Israel's social law, etc. If the OT carries just as must authority today, then we need to obey God's words and bring animal sacrifices to the temple. If we don't, then we are disobeying "the word of the Lord." So this, Beja, is the issue. If the ENTIRE Bible is God's authoritative voice and teaching directly to you, then you must obey the ENTIRE Bible, all of it. You need to avoid blended clothing. You need to refrain from planting two different crops in one field. You need to kill your enemies as God commanded Moses and Joshua to do. You need to offer animal sacrifices. If ALL of it is "God's words to all of it", then we can't pick and choose which laws or covenants we want to be under. I would like to know, for all the Bible-thumpers on this forum who believe that everything in the Bible applies today, why their own churches don't force women to keep absolutely quiet - no singing, no teaching children, no praying, no talking. After all, these are (supposedly), not Paul's words, but the very words of God as to how women should act in church. How many here who hold the Bible's teachings to be "the plumbline" for everything in life actually FOLLOW the teachings? |