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NASB | Romans 8:39 nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Romans 8:39 nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the [unlimited] love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. |
Subject: is there security of the believer |
Bible Note: Hank, The dicussion about perseverence of the saints has all the negative potential of discussions about predestination because the two ideas are linked. All Christians believe in predestination because it is in the Bible. But they disagree about exactly what predestination means and whether one still on earth can know with absolute as opposed to moral certainty if they are among the predestined or not. God's knowledge is that sure, but is ours this side of the grave? The same applies to the perseverence of the saints. The saints are those who persevere to the end and God knows who those are. But can we know before we reach the end of the race whether we are running in vain? Not with absolute certainty. Not this side of the finish line. At least that is what some of us hold. The Greek word translated as perseverence and endurance is the same. So the question is do you read these passage as the NASB has them. Matt 24:13 "But the one who endures to the end, he will be saved. Mark 13:13 "You will be hated by all because of My name, but the one who endures to the end, he will be saved. James 1:12 Blessed is a man who perseveres under trial; for once he has been approved, he will receive the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him. or do you translate them this way: Matt 24:13 "But the one who is saved, he will persevere to the end. Mark 13:13 "You will be hated by all because of My name, but the one who is saved, he will persevere to the end. James 1:12 Blessed is a man who is saved for under trial he will persevere; and he has been approved, and he will receive the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him. I think the NASB has it right. I find it rather puzzling that many who reject Calvin's concept of predestination, accept his concept of perseverence of the saints when it comes to the question of eternal security. Then we get into "many are called, but few are chosen." And disputes over passages such as the parable of the sower and the seed and passages in Hebrews and various passages of Paul's letters. Both sides believe that is God's grace working in them. The question is whether God's grace is irresistible, once received or can we dis-grace ourselves. And then we are back to TULIP. Do we really want to go there? Thank God for the prohibition on the Forum. Emmaus |