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NASB | John 15:16 "You did not choose Me but I chose you, and appointed you that you would go and bear fruit, and that your fruit would remain, so that whatever you ask of the Father in My name He may give to you. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | John 15:16 "You have not chosen Me, but I have chosen you and I have appointed and placed and purposefully planted you, so that you would go and bear fruit and keep on bearing, and that your fruit will remain and be lasting, so that whatever you ask of the Father in My name [as My representative] He may give to you. |
Subject: Bad Arguments Against Calvinism |
Bible Note: Dear Bruce, We are now getting down to the heart of our differences. Has God ordained everything that has occured or will ever occur? At this point human reason is of little value. We must go to the Word which alone is truth. Act 15:18 "Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world." (KJV). It's obvious given the context that, James had recognized God's eternal purpose to include the gentiles into The Body of Christ. Eph 3:11 "This was in accordance with the eternal purpose which He carried out in Christ Jesus our Lord,". Paul assures the Ephesians that God's eternal purpose was fulfilled in his ministry and so not to be anxious over his current imprisonment. Heb 6:17 "In the same way God, desiring even more to show to the heirs of the promise the unchangeableness of His purpose, interposed with an oath". His purpose never is changed nor can it be. Eph 1 3-11. What is the plain sense of this passage? I don't want to burden you with the weight of all the scripture that speaks of God's eternal purpose and the inevitability of it's accomplishment. I would prefer to hear your thoughts on what I have put forth thus far. But, to answer your question: Yes God did foreordain man's fall and all else as well. Perhaps you can do a word search on foreordination or predestination before responding. Just a suggestion. Brother John |