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NASB | John 15:16 "You did not choose Me but I chose you, and appointed you that you would go and bear fruit, and that your fruit would remain, so that whatever you ask of the Father in My name He may give to you. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | John 15:16 "You have not chosen Me, but I have chosen you and I have appointed and placed and purposefully planted you, so that you would go and bear fruit and keep on bearing, and that your fruit will remain and be lasting, so that whatever you ask of the Father in My name [as My representative] He may give to you. |
Subject: Bad Arguments Against Calvinism |
Bible Note: John, whether airing Calvinistic/Reformed views over and over is "a vigorous debate over God's truth" is itself highly debatable. Let's try to look at this forum in the perspective from which it was conceived by the Lockman Foundation. They named it StudyBibleForum with the idea that it would be a trustworthy internet study Bible -- one to which anyone could go to find helpful exegesis on various Bible subjects. John, what kind of study Bible would anyone want to purchase that contained a long, drawn-out debate on Calvinism to the exclusion of many other subjects on which the Bible speaks? If one wished to buy a book on Calvinism's pros and cons, he would buy a book so labeled, not one that advertised itself as a study Bible. Now, if Lockman would agree to change this web site from StudyBibleForum to Debates on Calvinism, then I should think one would be in his proper sphere to debate the issue to his heart's content, from now till the end of time. But this is not a platform designed for proponents or opponents of Calvinism to air their views over and over, ad infinitum. This is, I say once again, a StudyBibleForum, not a platform for advertising the merits or demerits of Calvinism or any other ism. I happen to be Southern Baptist, but I consider it most improper to extol over and over the correctness of Southern Baptist doctrine or the joys of being a Baptist or -- worse still -- to confront every non-Baptist on the forum with the propaganda that my views all are right and their views all wrong. Think about it. Are you the one being put upon, or you the one who is putting his views rather strongly upon others of the forum? --Hank |