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NASB | John 15:16 "You did not choose Me but I chose you, and appointed you that you would go and bear fruit, and that your fruit would remain, so that whatever you ask of the Father in My name He may give to you. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | John 15:16 "You have not chosen Me, but I have chosen you and I have appointed and placed and purposefully planted you, so that you would go and bear fruit and keep on bearing, and that your fruit will remain and be lasting, so that whatever you ask of the Father in My name [as My representative] He may give to you. |
Subject: Bad Arguments Against Calvinism |
Bible Note: Hello, You don't get my point, do you? Look at calvinism closely. I mean very closely, and follow it to it's logical conclusion. It begins by placing Man in the passive role within Salvation, and puts God in the active role. As it continues, Calvinism places a strong emphasis upon the power of God and his will to do whatever he chooses. Follow that same thought to it's logical conclusion. Not it's biblical or desired conclusion, but the conclusion that you reach if you follow the same thinking all the way through. You get what I previously posted. PLacing God as responcible for sending people to hell, when the Bible teaches that Man alone is responsible. Let me clarify. The area that I see as unjust is the Calvinist teaching of election. According to Calvinism, only the "elect" are offered Salvation, and the rest of Mankind is left as being "vessels of Wrath", doomed for eternal torment in hell. According to the infamous Pauline passage in Romans 9, by which almost all of Calvinism is defended by, God alone controls everyhting in the universe, and nothing happens without his approval. That belief alone begins with God being responsible for Sin because neither Man nor Satan could have rebelled in the first place if God did not "Will" it to happen in the first place. This is biblically wrong. Romans 1:18-32 teaches that the responsibilty for Sin is upon Man. Romans 5:12 supports this, as does Isaiah 43. Another factor with calvinism that places God as being responcible is if you follow it through to the conclusion. The requirement for entrance into heaven is whether or not a person has been saved. This is undeniable. According to calvinsim, only those who have been "touched" by the Holy Spirit has been saved, or "elected". Romans 8:14 seems to support this. So, it is clear in calvinism that only those who have been saved will enter heaven, and that God approaches only the "elect". Ephesians chapter 1 teaches that those who have been saved have also been "predestined". Now, we come to the kicker. The question that is often asked is "did Jesus die for the sins of the elect only or for all of mankind?" I am not going to hang around this question, but go on to a different one. "Is man dead in sin, or is he in slavery to sin?" Choose you're answer carefully. Due to space limits, I'll finish this in the following post. Jesusman |