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NASB | John 10:28 and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | John 10:28 "And I give them eternal life, and they will never, ever [by any means] perish; and no one will ever snatch them out of My hand. |
Subject: once saved always saved |
Bible Note: Greetings Radioman2! My friend, before I ask my question, I want you to know that I respect and love you, so do take my disagreement with this particular position as any kind of slight against you. :-) I firmly believe that this view of election misses out on much of what Scripture has to say about election. In particular, Romans 9-11 teaches that the group of 'elect' is not set in stone. So, allow me to ask this question. If the 'elect' refer to all of those individuals whom God has unconditionally predestined to salvation, how come those who were hardened in Rom. 11:7 are said to be able to be grafted in again in Rom. 11:23? In fact, Rom. 11:11 says that they did not 'stumble so as to fall beyond recovery. If the view of election proposed in your post is correct, then they must have stumbled so as to fall beyond recovery because they were not among the 'elect' in v. 6 who received, but were among those who were hardened. The best view of election that I have read (Robert Shank) says that election is corporate, not individual. Thus, the 'elect' includes all those who believe. This group changes with the passing of time. When the group that was hardened in Rom. 11:6 do repent and believe, they too will become part of the 'elect'. I look forward to your response my friend. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |