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NASB | Luke 23:43 And He said to him, "Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise." |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Luke 23:43 Jesus said to him, "I assure you and most solemnly say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise." [2 Cor 12:4; Rev 2:7] |
Subject: Jesus couldn't of gone up to heaven. |
Bible Note: Joe What trait declared Abraham righteous? Was it not faith. Romans 4:9 Is this blessing then on the circumcised, or on the uncircumcised also? For we say, "FAITH WAS CREDITED TO ABRAHAM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS." What was his faith in? God providing a redeemer. What did David look to? God providing a redeemer. Name a righteous person they were looking for redemption the Messiah. "Joe you asked what the message of Roman 1and 2 was. It is saying people are without excuse for not having faith that God would provide a payment for their sin." That is not the reason given by Romans 1:18-32. But is the reason given in Romans 1:17 ! I have never said nor do I intend to say there is any form of redemption other than Jesus Christ. I did suggest that God in his mercy, grace, love, and justice MAY make known Jesus Christ to others in ways we have no knowledge of. While that seems highly unlikely particularly in the light of scripture Roman 10:14. I do not believe that is completely ruled out. I have heard of testimonies of people seeking and worshipping a redeemer sent by God without knowing his name. That is all I was saying. Now if you know for a fact that does not happens then I stand in awe of you. And there is nothing else to discuss. I believe redemption has been provided for ALL and those that reject Jesus are the ones that are lost. Sin is not the problem the rejection of Christ is now the problem. Romans 5:18 So then as through one transgression there resulted condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to all men. Since your asking me questions let me ask you. Did Abraham being considered righteous by God need a redeemer or not? Did Christ pay the price for sin or not? Did he or did he not free us from the penalty of sin? If this be true then is it sin or our lack of belief in Christ Jesus as our savior that causes us to be condemned? Joe I might add I do not enjoy or appreciate what I read to be accusations. While I know this a very popular form of debate I do not feel it is needed on this forum. I have posted on this forum for over year and I think my postings proven I have a love and appreciation for the scripture, my savior and God the Father. While I openly admit to holding an Arminian point of view it is still considered orthodox I believe. I do not enjoy you accusing me of inventing theology especially when I haven’t. If you go back to my first post on this subject you will see I openly admitted that God’s dealing with those that haven’t heard the scripture is known to me. That I did know Jesus said he was the only way to the Father and beyond that I was in the dark. Now if you want to read things into what others said fine but I would thank you not to do it to me. EdB |