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NASB | Luke 23:43 And He said to him, "Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise." |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Luke 23:43 Jesus said to him, "I assure you and most solemnly say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise." [2 Cor 12:4; Rev 2:7] |
Subject: Jesus couldn't of gone up to heaven. |
Bible Note: "I said we don?t fully understand god?s mercy, love, grace, and justice. You attempted to answer that by saying scripture tells you about sin. These are opposites they do not explain each other they contrast each other." With all due respect, Ed, I said much more than that. "While we can completely understand sin we can be very much in the dark in regards to grace." We can believe what the Author of grace has told us. Anything else is speculation. "Also do not read into my statement I made no attempt to say God provided another means of salvation outside Jesus Christ" No, but you do seem to be saying that there is a means of receiving the justification purchased by Christ on the Cross other than faith in the gospel. If I am misunderstanding you, please explain exactly how a person can be saved by any other means than trusting in the only name on earth given among men by which we MUST be saved. (Acts 4:12) Where does the Bible even give a glimmer of hope for this? "Joe you asked what the message of Roman 1and 2 was. It is saying people are without excuse for not having faith that God would provide a payment for their sin." That is not the reason given by Romans 1:18-32. 'You questioned my statement, ?"What we do know is God has spoken to us, through the preaching of Jesus therefore we are without excuse." Let me say this way then Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.' Amen. And how will they believe if they have not heard? (Romans 10:14). Now please address the response I made to you that we were without excuse before the name of Jesus ever reached our ears. We are not condemned for rejecting Jesus. Our condemnation originates in our sinful rebellion against God the Father. Adam did not fall by rejecting Jesus, and everyone since Adam rebels against the Father as well, whether we ever hear of Jesus or not. Respectfully, Ed, you criticized another poster yesterday for inventing theology, and yet you give no support whatsoever from the Bible for a salvation without the gospel's proclamation, and fail to address the passages which speak so loudly of God's just condemnation of all people. "So faith comes from HEARING, and hearing through the word of Christ." --Romans 10:17 (ESV) --Joe! |