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NASB | Luke 22:42 saying, "Father, if You are willing, remove this cup from Me; yet not My will, but Yours be done." |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Luke 22:42 saying, "Father, if You are willing, remove this cup [of divine wrath] from Me; yet not My will, but [always] Yours be done." |
Subject: Submissive or Suppressed Wills |
Bible Note: Dear Brother Mark and Brother WOS, Those soteriological points are known in theological terms as: Augustinianism (Determinism or Monergism): "1. God, in an act of His Own will, without regard to our will, saves us." Arminianism (Compatibilism): "2. God, in an act of His will, in conjunction with an act of our will, saves us." Pelegianism (Libertarianism): "3. We, in an act of our own will, receive salvation." (The last two fall under the general label of Synergism.) They each attempt to identify the cause in what is called "moral agency" trying to answer the question "How does a man respond to the command of the Gospel?" Pelegianism presumes that man is ignorant. Given the right information (Gospel) he will believe (faith) and be saved, willingly following Christ. Consequently, what man needs is a tutor. Arminianism presumes that man is sick. Given the right medicine (prevenient grace), the right information (Gospel), and he will believe (faith) and be saved, willingly following Christ. Consequently, what man needs is a doctor. Augustinianism presumes that man is dead. Granted life (grace), he will live (regeneration) and believe (gift of faith), and be saved, willingly following Christ. Consequently, what man needs is a miracle of God. Augustinianism does not assert that man's will is suppressed. Man is always free to choose whatever is in his nature to choose. As John Calvin put it so long ago, "The will is not destroyed, but rather repaired by grace." Whereas once we were slaves to sin (John 8:34), we become slaves to righteousness (Romans 6:18), by the redemptive work of God alone. When Brother WOS brought up the phrase "submission and suppression" I thought he was talking about something man does to himself. I missed the point completely if it has to do with something God does to man. We've shifted from the topic of the will of the believer in the context of obedience, to the topic of the role of the will in the context of salvation. Very different topics indeed! If we are going to make headway in the original discussion of moral agency, we'll need to narrow it down to the particular state of man in which we are interested; i.e., created, fallen, redeemed, or gorified. In Him, Doc |