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NASB | Luke 22:42 saying, "Father, if You are willing, remove this cup from Me; yet not My will, but Yours be done." |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Luke 22:42 saying, "Father, if You are willing, remove this cup [of divine wrath] from Me; yet not My will, but [always] Yours be done." |
Subject: Submissive or Suppressed Wills |
Bible Note: Hi WOS, I want to assure you that your words reflect the gentle spirit God gave to you. I know that the internet may make it more difficult to see my tongue in my cheek as I write certain things, but it is there. I believe that you are approaching this subject simply to understand it better. That also is my only intent. I do not have much time at the moment to write, and I also want to spend some more time considering what you have written, to give a more thoughful response. There are a couple of points I would like to raise, to the intent of clarifying what we are looking at. When we consider what happens at re-births, here are the options as I see them: 1. God, in an act of His Own will, without regard to our will, saves us. 2. God, in an act of His will, in conjunction with an act of our will, saves us. 3. We, in an act of our own will, receive salvation. Would you agree that this represents the possible alternatives? I think it is obvious that 3 is not right. If 1 is correct, then God suppresses our will, and then our will is made to be submissive to His. Once our will becomes submissive to His, then our old nature is suppressed. If 2 is correct, then it gets a little more complex, as we try to determine in what way our will works together with His will. Do you agree with these things? What I find as I discuss this with you is that I flip back and forth between submission and suppression (which terms, by the way, I find accurate and useful) of the will. This is why I am now attempting to break down what happens at conversion to smaller units. I will write more later, as I have time. I am really enjoying that you wish to discuss this with me! Love in Christ, Mark |