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NASB Isaiah 9:6 For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us;
And the government will rest on His shoulders;
And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.
AMPLIFIED 2015 Isaiah 9:6 For to us a Child shall be born, to us a Son shall be given;
And the government shall be upon His shoulder,
And His name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. [Is 25:1; 40:9-11; Matt 28:18; Luke 2:11]
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Bible Question (short): Is Jesus the 'Eternal Father'?

Question (full): Does the fact that Jesus is called "Eternal Father" in Isaiah 9:6 mean that Jesus is the Father?No, Jesus is not the Father. As we interpret the meaning of the phrase "Eternal Father" in reference to Christ, it is critical to keep in mind what other Scriptures have to say about the distinction between the Father and the Son. The Father is considered by Jesus as someone other than Himself more than 200 times in the New Testament. Over 50 times (in the NT) the Father and Son are seen to be distinct within the same verse (for example: Rom. 15:6, 2 Cor. 1:4, Gal. 1:2-3, Phil. 2:10-11, 1 John 2:1, 2 John 3). If the Father and the Son are distinct, then in what sense is Jesus the "Eternal Father"? One explanation is that this phrase is better translated 'Father of eternity', and carries the meaning "possessor of eternity." Father of eternity is here used in accordance with a custom usual in Hebrew and in Arabic, where he who possesses a thing is called the father of it. Thus, the father of strength means strong; the father of knowledge, intelligent; the father of glory, glorious. According to this common usage, the meaning of Father of eternity in Isaiah 9:6 is 'eternal'. Christ as the "Father of eternity" is an eternal being. The Targum- a simplified paraphrase of the Old Testament Scriptures utilized by the ancient Jews- rendered Isaiah 9:6: "His name has been called from of old, Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, He who lives forever...." Clearly, the ancient Jews considered the phrase Father of eternity as indicating the eternality of the Messiah. Also, this refers to Christ's divine quality as an enduring, compassionate provider and protector (see also Isaiah 40:9-11). Scripture is clear that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinct persons. Scripture tells us that the Father sent the Son (John 3:16-17), the Father and Son love each other (John 5:20), and the Father and Son speak to each other (John 8:47, 11:41, 42). Moreover, the Father knows the Son and the Son knows the Father (John 10:15), and Jesus is our advocate with the Father (1 John 2:1).Also, it is clear that Jesus is not the Holy Spirit, for the Holy Spirit descended upon Jesus at His baptism (Luke 3:22). The Holy Spirit is said to be another comforter (John 14:16). Jesus sent the Holy Spirit (John 15:26). And the Holy Spirit seeks to glorify Jesus (John 16:13-14). In view of these facts, it is impossible to argue that Jesus is the Father and the Holy Spirit.Does John 10:30 teach that Jesus and the Father are the same person? No. Jesus affirmed, "I and the Father are one" (John 10:30). This verse does not mean that Jesus and the Father are one and the same person. We know this to be true because in the phrase, "I and the Father are one," a first person plural- "we are" (esmen in the Greek)- is used. The verse literally reads from the Greek, "I and the Father we are one." If Jesus intended to say that He and the Father were one person, He certainly would not have used the first person plural, which clearly implies two persons. Furthermore, the Greek word for "one" (hen) in this verse refers not to personal unity (that is, the idea that the Father and Son are one person) but to unity of essence or nature (that is, that the Father and Son have the same divine nature). This is evident in the fact that the form of the word in the Greek is neuter, not masculine. Further, the verses that immediately precede and follow John 10:30 distinguish Jesus from the Father (John 10:25,29,36,38). Jesus is the perfect revelation of the Father (John 1:18). We also know that 2 Corinthians 3:17 does not prove that Jesus is the Holy Spirit. Just earlier, in vv. 3-6, the apostle Paul clearly distinguishes between Jesus and the Holy Spirit. Moreover, the whole of Scripture indicates that Jesus is not the Holy Spirit.Sources: NASB Study Bible (Zondervan), Hasting's Dictionary of the Bible (Hendrickson), Matthew Henry's Unabridged Commentary, Strong's Concordance, "The Complete Book of Bible Answers" by Ron Rhodes, "Evidence Demands a Verdict" by Josh McDowell.

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 Is Jesus the 'Eternal Father'? (?)
  Makarios
 I think you are trying to understand wha...
  inHzsvc
 Yes, I understand that our ways are not ...
  Makarios
 Why cannot we just take Bible and beleiv...
  jim
 He is manifested in the way that you spe...
  inHzsvc
 I agree with the word "persons."  In f...
  inHzsvc
 Hey inHzsvc, thats Ok!  I made the same ...
  Makarios
 Hi Nolan Keck,  You have some very good ...
  Ray
 Thank you Ray!  I can see where you are ...
  Makarios
 Hi Nolan Keck, Can you tell me why scrip...
  Ray
 Jesus' most common title for Himself is...
  Makarios
 Hi Nolan, I have to reopen this topic be...
  Ray
 Capitals? What was your question Ray? (?)
  Makarios
 Capitalization is not in the orginial te...
  Searcher56
 Yes, this is where we can find agreement...
  Makarios
 Hi Nolan, I think I can agree on fully h...
  Ray
 Hello Ray!  Hebrews 7:26 is describing J...
  Makarios
 No need ... Capitialization does not cha...
  Searcher56
 Hi Makarios, It is rather fun to look ba...
  Ray
 Greetings Ray! Yes, it is pretty inte...
  Makarios
 Thanks for the information. Modalism, fo...
  Reformer Joe
 Isaiah 9:6 tries to tell his people who ...
  jim
 Hi Jim, You have said that "we have mad...
  Ray
 Jim denies the Trinity, saying that the ...
  Reformer Joe
 I deny the trinty as some state it but I...
  jim
 That is exactly what God did...John 3:16...
  Reformer Joe
 Hi Joe,  The question of John 3:16 is wh...
  Ray
 Okay...I have already debated Oneness ex...
  Reformer Joe
 Right on Joe!  Modalism is easily refute...
  Makarios
 Hi guys, This "Oneness" is new to me, ...
  Ray
 Ray, I'm a bit confused about some of y...
  Makarios
 We must not "make" him anything, but r...
  Reformer Joe
 Hi Joe, I know that  you're talking wit...
  Ray
 Ray, I see no difference in either sayin...
  Makarios
 Ray, do you believe that Jesus was God?? (?)
  Makarios
 Hi Nolan, Yes I believe that Jesus Chris...
  Ray
 Thank you Ray for clarifying for me exac...
  Makarios
 In the likeness of men is the way that J...
  Ray
 Ok, Ray, I see what you mean now. :)  Wh...
  Makarios
 Hi Nolan,  Thanks for understanding me s...
  Ray
 Blessings, Ray! You are welcome!  I r...
  Makarios
 Hello again, Ray! You stated, "I was...
  Makarios
 Hi Nolan, I appreciate the time you have...
  Ray
 Greetings, Ray! You stated, "In the ...
  Makarios
 Hi Nolan, Let me praise God with you tha...
  Ray
 Blessings Ray! When you stated, "I t...
  Makarios
 Hi Nolan,  I have just a few thoughts ab...
  Ray
 Greetings Ray! I find your connection...
  Makarios
 Hi Nolan,  Let's leave the Child here i...
  Ray
 Please tell me where you find modalism i...
  Makarios
 Apology accepted without reservation, an...
  Reformer Joe
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  Makarios
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