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NASB | Isaiah 9:6 For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Isaiah 9:6 For to us a Child shall be born, to us a Son shall be given; And the government shall be upon His shoulder, And His name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. [Is 25:1; 40:9-11; Matt 28:18; Luke 2:11] |
Subject: Is Jesus the 'Eternal Father'? |
Bible Note: Right on Joe! Modalism is easily refuted by the fact that all Three Persons in the New Testament are portrayed together (2 Cor. 13:14, Matt. 28:19). Moreover, we see that the Father 'sent' the Son (John 3:17), the Father and Son love each other (John 14:31), and the Father speaks to the Son, and the Son speaks to the Father (John 11:41,42). The Holy Spirit 'comes upon' Jesus at the baptism (Matt. 3), and Jesus and the Father are viewed as having sent the Holy Spirit (John 15:26). Clearly, a person cannot get around the fact that these are distinct Persons who interact with each other. If anyone can find any other scripture that supports modalism (Jesus is the Father is the Holy Spirit), then let me know.However, the verse that is most commonly referred to as supporting the 'idea' that Jesus is the Father is Isaiah 9:6.. I believe that when someone says that 'Jesus is the Father' after reading this verse, then they are altogether misinterpreting this verse! Ryrie's Study Bible comments on this verse and the use of "Eternal Father": "Lit., Father of Eternity; i.e., Messiah is eternally a Father to His people, guarding, supplying, and caring for their needs." Nelson's NKJV states, "Thus the word Father is used here of the Savior's role as an ideal king."So you can see here, as well as the references that I made in my original post, that Isaiah 9:6 is not saying that Jesus and the Father are different 'offices' of the same Person, but Isaiah 9:6 is referring to the Lordship of Christ to His people when it mentions "Eternal Father". If anyone has any Scriptural evidence that this verse somehow does not affirm the Trinity, then please bring that to my attention. Thanks! |