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1 | Actual bodies in heaven? | 1 John 3:2 | bill0624 | 214062 | ||
Hi Beja. Let me start with the end of your post first. Oops, wait, I need a scriptural reference, right? Okay, "the first shall be last and the last shall be first." Ha ha! Just kidding! I DO have a sense of humor. I am not at all suggesting that every Christian through history must be deluded or not intelligent or trumped by be or needing correction. We all stand on the shoulders of others, don't we? What I am suggestion is that the church, from time to time, gets caught up in traditions and the doctrines of men that lead it away from the teachings of Jesus. Do you doubt this? Do you think the bodily ascension of Mary is something Jesus taught? Do you think that indulgences is part of Jesus' teaching? Do you think that 5-Point Calvinism is the thrust of Jesus' gospel? Do you think that the "Name-It-And-Claim-It" message of contemporary Christianity is the heart of Jesus' message? I don't think these church doctrines are part of Jesus' gospel. And neither do I believe that Paul's understanding of the gospel is exactly what Jesus taught. Read Jesus' inaugeral address given after his baptism from the book of Isaiah. It has nothing to do with his death and resurrection. It has to do with helping the poor, healing the sick, setting captives free, proclaiming liberty. This was JESUS' gospel. If we don't recognize this, then, yes, we have chosen Paul and ignored Jesus himself. Now, if "scripture is an all or none" deal, then ALL of scripture is binding on you, Beja. This means you are under Mosaic law, levitical law, Israel's social law, etc. If the OT carries just as must authority today, then we need to obey God's words and bring animal sacrifices to the temple. If we don't, then we are disobeying "the word of the Lord." So this, Beja, is the issue. If the ENTIRE Bible is God's authoritative voice and teaching directly to you, then you must obey the ENTIRE Bible, all of it. You need to avoid blended clothing. You need to refrain from planting two different crops in one field. You need to kill your enemies as God commanded Moses and Joshua to do. You need to offer animal sacrifices. If ALL of it is "God's words to all of it", then we can't pick and choose which laws or covenants we want to be under. I would like to know, for all the Bible-thumpers on this forum who believe that everything in the Bible applies today, why their own churches don't force women to keep absolutely quiet - no singing, no teaching children, no praying, no talking. After all, these are (supposedly), not Paul's words, but the very words of God as to how women should act in church. How many here who hold the Bible's teachings to be "the plumbline" for everything in life actually FOLLOW the teachings? |
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2 | Actual bodies in heaven? | 1 John 3:2 | Morant61 | 214088 | ||
Greetings Bill! All Scripture is authoritative, but not all Scripture is directly applicable to everyone. Consider the example of Noah? God commanded Noah to build an ark. Was that command authoritative? Was it historical and true? Yes! However, the command was specifically addressed to Noah, not to me. Therefore, to argue that if all of Scripture is authoritative then I need to 'obey' every part of it would mean that I would have to go and build an ark. :-) But, God did not command ME to build an ark. It was an historical command, given to an historical person, in a given context. Your example of obeying the Laws of Moses is another example of this. The Law of Moses was an historical covenant, made with an historical people, which is not binding upon me as a gentile or as a Christian. Do I need to offer up a lamb every year now that Christ has offered Himself up as the Lamb that takes away the sins of the world? Of course not! There is a lot of confusion about this issue. Some commands are particular and historical, given to certain individuals for a certain time. Other commands are universal and eternal, applicable to all people at all times. It is important that one be able to tell the difference. But, saying that the Law is not applicable to me does not mean that it is not Scripture. The difference between our two positions is that you reject the authority or the reality of Scriptures with which you do not agree, where I accept the authority of all Scripture, but argue that it must be understood in context. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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