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1 | Are there any scriptures for the rapture | 2 Pet 3:10 | M.Royal | 188360 | ||
Hi Cheri, The 24 Elders, along with the angels and the four beasts are round about the throne of God. They are there to give information, instruction and to worship God and Christ. Rev.4:4,10,11. Rev.5:5,11,12. Rev.7:13,14. Rev.14:3. They are not the 144000, or those that came out of the great tribulation. Yours sincerely M.Royal |
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2 | Are there any scriptures for the rapture | 2 Pet 3:10 | stjohn | 188391 | ||
Hi MRoyal, The 24 Elders, Represent the Church. And possibly the old testament saints as well, but I would say most definitely, the Church. Look at chapter 3 carefully please, and instead of giving you a list of scripture, I'll put it down for you to read so you don't have to search for it. And first of all, you are correct in saying that they are not those that [came out] of the great tribulation. Notice what Jesus is saying to His Church in Chapter 3, about white garments. [emphases of course is mine] Rev 3:4 'But you have a few people in Sardis who have not soiled their garments; and they will walk with Me [in white], for they are worthy. Rev 3:5 'He who overcomes will thus be clothed [in white garments;] and I will not erase his name from the book of life, and I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels. Rev 3:18 I advise you to buy from Me gold refined by fire so that you may become rich, and [white garments] so that you may clothe yourself, and that the shame of your nakedness will not be revealed; and eye salve to anoint your eyes so that you may see. Now lets look please at chapter 4, and what the elders are wearing. And, we may ask. Where did they get them, and why, are they wearing them? Rev 4:4 Around the throne were twenty-four thrones; and upon the thrones I saw twenty-four elders sitting, [clothed in white garments,] and golden crowns on their heads. Now lets look please at chapter 3 again and see what Our Lord is saying about what is going to happen. Rev 3:3 'So remember what you have received and heard; and keep it, and repent. Therefore if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what hour I will come to you. Rev 3:8 'I know your deeds. Behold, I have put before you an open door which no one can shut, because you have a little power, and have kept My word, and have not denied My name. Please take special note of v10 this is very important. [emphases is mine] Rev 3:10 'Because you have kept the word of My perseverance, [I also will keep you from the hour of testing,] that hour which is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth. Note that He said that he will keep those who keep His word from the hour that is [about to come.] And also note that the [testing] is the first half of the tribulation the wrath comes after the testing, in the second half. Now in v11 please look at what Our Lord is saying about coming quickly, and [the crowns.] Rev 3:11 'I am coming quickly; hold fast what you have, so that no one will take your crown. And now chapter 4. Rev 4:4 Around the throne were twenty-four thrones; and upon the thrones I saw twenty-four elders sitting, clothed in white garments, and [golden crowns on their heads.] The evidence is piling up. Now lets look please at chapter 3 again, and note the open door. Rev 3:8 'I know your deeds. Behold, I have put before you an [open door] which no one can shut, because you have a little power, and have kept My word, and have not denied My name. and chapter 4. Rev 4:1 After these things I looked, and behold, [a door standing open in heaven,] and the first voice which I had heard, like the sound of a trumpet speaking with me, said, "Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after these things." Also note the voice with the sound [like a trumpet.] this is not a trumpet but a voice [like] a trumpet. And it is a voice saying; [come up here!] Sense the voice is not a trumpet but a sound like a trumpet, then it is not a trumpet, and has nothing to do with the last trumpet. And, the [voice] says to John; "I will show you what must take place after these things." Well, after what things? What has Our Lord been talking about in chapter 3? The Church thats what. so chapter 4 opens, with the Church already in Heaven. So, the rapture/catching away, must have taken place sometime near the end of chapter 3. And when John gets there at the beginning of chapter 4 what does he see? Well, It looks to me like the Church, and perhaps including the old testament saints as well. If you need more let me know I'll be glad to help answer your questions, I'm sure this will raise some in other areas. To answer one right now, the saints we find in later chapters are those that are saved because of the witness of the 144000. I hope, this has given you some hope. And cleared up some confusion on when the rapture will take place. God bless. John |
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3 | How can we comfort one another? | 2 Pet 3:10 | M.Royal | 188449 | ||
Hello John, It is written, For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout with the shout of the archangel and with the trump of God; and the dead in Christ shall rise first; Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 1Thess.4:16,17. However if at the rapture Christ is expected to leave part of his church behind to suffer affliction, or see tribulation, ie the great multitude and the 144,000 that as we know will be in heaven, how can we comfort one another with these words, unless we are sure which part of Christs church are to go first? M.Royal |
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4 | How can we comfort one another? | 2 Pet 3:10 | Searcher56 | 188456 | ||
God's day to you, M.Royal, Is it not possible that the 144,000 are saved during the tribulation? Is it the first or second ressurection of Revelation 20:4-5 that is seen in Matthew 24:27-31, 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 and 1 Corinthians 15:52? Do you believe only those who will reign with Him for 1,000 years are part of the first ressurection of Revelation 20:4-5? Searcher |
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5 | How can we comfort one another? | 2 Pet 3:10 | M.Royal | 188500 | ||
Hello Searcher, In answer to you questions please note the following. Hurt not the earth neither the sea nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads Rev.7:3 They were saved before the tribulation. Jesus clearly states that his return is after the tribulation, this is the second resurrection Matthew 24:27-31. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of christ, and reign with him a thousand years. Rev. 20:6. Hope this answers your questions, if you need more let me know. Yours sincerely M.Royal |
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