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1 | Is reverence feasible? Always? | Eph 5:33 | srchng | 65430 | ||
The word "respect" or "reverence" in Greek looks a lot like phobia - fear. Is it right for a wife to see her husband as deserving of her fear? Even if the word doesn't really mean "fear" in a modern coloquial sense, is it right that she should have a sense of awe or reverence, or even attribute to him the kind of honor, power, or authority that would make awe or reverence reasonable? Does he actually hold that kind of position even if he's really bad at it? | ||||||
2 | Is reverence feasible? Always? | Eph 5:33 | Rabbi Mark | 65445 | ||
You are correct in interpeting the Greek to mean phobea which imples that a wife should fear her husband exceedingly. This is consistant with Genesis 3:16 when God cursed the woman by saying, "...And thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee." It was God's plan that the husband should rule over the wife. Not to her detriment. But for her protection. For spiritually the woman has a flaw which the man does not. Paul explains this in 1 Timothy 2:12-14 "But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." It was easy to deceive the woman in the garden. And it is easy to deceive the woman today. But if she is obedient to her husband and her husband is obedient to God -- that woman shall not be found in another transgression. God made the woman as the man's helpmete. He made the woman for man and not the man for woman. The man is stronger than a woman physically, logically, and emotionally. The woman should fear someone physically, logically, and emotionally superior to herself. There are many instances in the Bible where God has ordained man to be over the woman. It is written in the Law of Moses. It is commanded in the New Testament. Sarah called Abraham Lord. And there are many, many more references. But there is not space here to go into them. Even if the man is bad at his authority over the woman the woman still must fear and revere the man. For if the woman took authority, which is expressly forbidden in the Bible, it would be worse than a man who was bad at handling authority. It would be Adam and Eve in the garden all over again. The devil is behind the feminist movement. And the ideology behind the ERA and womens place in society today are not according to God's Word. This is why there is such high rates of divorce and other social ills. It is also why most women cannot be happy. For they usurp the man. An in this place of authority for which God did not make them suited they are most miserable. | ||||||
3 | Is reverence feasible? Always? . . . | Eph 5:33 | srchng | 65455 | ||
I am really impressed with your answer to this question. Still, I have a point of curiosity. In reference to 1 Tim 2:12-14, mightn't this be God's order of things rather than a "flaw?" Perhaps Eve fell into sin when her husband wasn't there, because . . . well . . . he wasn't there (to protect her.) Does this make as much sense to you as it does to me in light of Scripture? Srchng |
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4 | Is reverence feasible? Always? . . . | Eph 5:33 | Mommapbs | 65479 | ||
Greetings srchng! “There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves punishment, and the one who fears is not perfected in love.” 1 John 4:18 I'm wondering how "perfect love casts out fear" in the relationship between men and women today? Perhaps when we see one another from God's perspective, we can truly be obedient to His Word. As believers desiring to be obedient to God's Word, we must shift our emphasis from following the LAW to following the Lord Jesus Christ. He is the ONLY WAY that we can really be obedient to God’s command to love honor or respect anyone. Apart from Christ, is anyone worthy of RESPECT or HONOR? Apart from Christ, can we ever truly LOVE? (Please read John 15:5) "Rabbi" Mark wrote: It was easy to deceive the woman in the garden. And it is easy to deceive the woman today. But if she is obedient to her husband and her husband is obedient to God -- that woman shall not be found in another transgression. There is a significant qualifier in the word "IF". Does God's Word give us permission to not obey IF the other person is not “obedient to God”? Does God express His commands this way: obey Me IF . . .? Please read Gen 3:6. Exactly WHERE was Adam, who “Rabbi” Mark claims was made to be "physically, emotionally and logically (he used the word spiritually in his post to me) superior" to Eve? ADAM WAS RIGHT THERE WITH HER (!) and he did not (as the “Rabbi” claims) "keep her from transgression." The only One who can keep me from transgression is Jesus! Mommapbs |
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5 | Greater rank, not greater person? | Eph 5:33 | srchng | 65498 | ||
Isn't it possible for someone to hold a higher rank than someone else of better character or greater maturity? It happens in the military. Can't it be that way in marriage as well? Isn't that what Eph 5:33 talks about, order or rank? It seems like the higher the rank one holds in any God-ordained system, the more one is called on to proactively pursue a lifestyle of self sacrificing love. "Whoever would be great among you must be the servant of all." Didn't Jesus say that? Anyway, it looks like in the Bible husbands are given rank in the family system and are called on to be aggressively laying down their lives, to meet needs, to follow the way of the cross, as it were. This looks like the one relationship where God grants authority first, then says, "Okay, guys, now live up to it! You wanted to be married, now learn to do marriage like Jesus does it." Isn't the whole love/submission issue of Eph. 5 and 1 Pet. 3 the kind of thing where if one spouse is looking to the other to do it right *first*, then the point is being missed? Furthermore, isn't the point of all this to have husbands and wives doing so much good to each other that God's own glory radiates through the relationship as they follow His plan for them? And don't both Paul and Peter teach us that EITHER a truly submissive, respectful wife OR a truly loving, self-sacrificing husband will have powerful influence in bringing the other into proper relationship not only in the marriage, but even to God? Am I missing something? |
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6 | Greater rank, not greater person? | Eph 5:33 | Robert Nicholson | 65509 | ||
Scrhng: I believe that the topic of headship is very important in understanding the relationship between husband and wife. "...I would have you know that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God" (1 Cor. 11:3) We know that there is absolutely no inferiority between Christ and God who have different functions in the Godhead and yet are one. Likewise, in the relationship of a husband and wife, individually they have different functions and yet they are one. The idea of headship was revealled before sin entered the world "Therefore shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh" (Gen 2:24) It is amazing that in this relationship we see in type the relationship between Christ and the church. "In the Lord" refers to a husband and wife who are both saved. I believe that the scriptures support that "in the Lord" we are workers together, that the husband is incomplete without the wife and the wife without the husband, they complement each other. This is found in 1 Cor. 11:11-12 "Nevertheless neither is the man without (independent) of the woman, neither the woman without (independent) the man, in the Lord. For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also of the woman; but all things of God. In the Lord within an ideal relationship a husband and wife should be submissive to God and be willing to accept the unique role in life which God has given them. Just a few thoughts Robert |
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7 | Greater rank, not greater person? | Eph 5:33 | Mommapbs | 65515 | ||
Greetings Robert, well said! Mommapbs | ||||||