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1 | Woman's sin worse than man's? | Eph 5:33 | Robert Nicholson | 65653 | ||
Rabbi Mark: It is not my intention to cause strife on the forum or to champion my own opinions. I will cover the last 3 paragraphs of my post and note the scriptures upon which my thoughts are based. I realize that I should have cited scripture souces in the first place. In our day of grace the man is exhorted to love the wife as himself.(Eph. 5:25), In fact when he shows love to her in deed and action he is loving himself( Eph. 5:28) since they are one (Gen.2:24, Eph. 5:31). As I have mentioned in previous posts they are equal in the sight of God with specific roles in the Lord.(1 Cor. 11:3 in this verse we have the topic of headship "But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God" In this verse we have rank, but not inferiority) Man and woman both have responsiblities in Christ and to each other, but the modifiying factor is love. (some of these responsibilities are found in Titus 2:1-9 If Christ were to deal with us according to our deeds since we were saved we would be lost forever.("He hath not dealt with us after our sins; nor rewarded us according to our iniquities" Psalm 103:10) However, he has dealt with us in grace and in love and recognizes our weakness (warts and all) and is gracious toward us.("Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began" 2 Tim. 1:9) (The point I am trying to make here is that the relationship between Christ and the church should be reflected in the relationship between a man and his wife. Eph. 5: 24-27) "He loves the church and gave himself for it" If a husband truly wants to reflect the love of Christ, to his wife, he will love her regardless of perceived weaknesses and will treasure her as a gift from God.(1 Peter 3:7) I believe that this is what Adam saw in Eve which is his decision to disobey God that they might continue to be together. ( I agree that I should not judge Adam's motive here. We are not told what he thought when his wife was deceived, except that "he did eat" Gen. 3:6) God in his grace clothed them in animal skins(Gen. 3:21) a picture of what he does today for both men and women,( who repent and trust him) clothing them in the righteousness of Christ forever.("For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him" 2 Cor. 5:21) I think part of our problem in this modern world is still determining who shall be the greatest.( the point here is the human tendency of wanting to be greatest still causes problems in society today. I am referring to ("And there was also a strife among them, which of them should be accounted the greatest" Luke 22:24) I am aware that men and women have a specific roles in the church which is his body. Nevertheless, as individuals we "have by one Spirit we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles..." 1 Cor. 12:13 We are members of his body(1 Cor. 12:27 and are not differentiated by gender. In fact the apostle Paul writes "Now are ye the body of Christ members in particular" 1 Cor. 12:14 Whether we be male or female we are members of the body of Christ and as such we have a unique role. (" There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus" Gal. 3:28) Rabbi Mark: We are not under the law. (Gal. 5:1) Over the past two thousand years men have used the scriptures to maintain their power and control over women. Is this right? Governments thought so, even in Canada women first became persons in 1918. ( this is historical fact) Does this sound right? Women must be saved as individuals, women must grow in Christ as individuals and how can man continue to put them in a role subserviant to men.( I am referring to headship in which there is no inferiority implied in the relationship) It is time we realized that we ( men and women) are workers together in grace. ( "...as being heirs together of the grace of life..." 1 Peter 73:7b) We may have specific and unique roles in the church, nevertheless, there is no inferiority in the members. Rabbi, I apologize if I have offended you in any way. Your brother in Christ Robert |
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2 | Woman's sin worse than man's? | Eph 5:33 | Rabbi Mark | 65973 | ||
Dear Robert: No, you did not offend me, my brother. I came home at 2am and found a score of post on my email and none of them having adequate scriptural references. I always check everything I say against the scripture to make sure that I'm not giving out any false doctrine. And this takes time. When I saw your post, I thought of how long it was going to take me to research the four paragraphs you wrote and kicked it back to you to do the research for yourself. I didn't quite understand the points you were trying to make and thought you were shooting from the hip. But now that you have put down your references I see more clearly what you were trying to say. As for the issue with the law, which I think is the most important one to you, I try to abide by Romans 7:25, "I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord, So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin." The law of God (being the law of grace) and the law of sin (being the law of the flesh). I know we are not under the law of sin. We are under grace. I don't argue with you there. But Paul makes it clear that our flesh is constantly at war with our spirit and his remedy was as prescribed above. That is all I was saying about the law. Perhaps I didn't make that as clear as I thought. I only paraphrased the verse in my previous post and did not give any real comprehensive explanation. That is my fault. The other issue you raise is about the husband having responsibilites to the wife. I don't disagree with you on any of this. Yes, the husband has great responsibilites to the wife. But that is a whole other study. I've tried to avoid being side tracked into that and stay focused on the question posted for the study concerning the womans responsibility. That one is complex enough for now. As four our equal standing before God found in Galations 3:28, you do realize the context throughout the book of Galations is showing us not to puff ourselves up because we're all viewed the same before God whether we are Jew or Greek, male or female. It is really a whole other issue as well. But 1 Peter 3:7, "Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered." Now if the wife is a weaker vessel (which makes perfect sense in all regards) this verse suggest some inferiority of the woman. But the central issue behind all of this is Ephesians 5:33, "Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence (fear exceedingly in awe) her husband." And 1 Timothy 2:12, "But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence." Can we use certain Bible verses to neutralize others? Can we say that we've come out of those dark ages into an age of equality and therefore the Word of God does not apply any more? I can't say that Robert. I can see why people of our age get upset about these things. But I also see that this is what God ordained. It is as right today as it was 2,000 years ago. There is no expiration clause that I can find. I can't help what governments have done. Certainly there has been some oppression. But that is not God's fault. Not only have men used God's Word to justify oppression of women but to justify every sin in the book. But you and I have the choice of doing it right. And that is what I want to do. Rabbi Mark |
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3 | Woman's sin worse than man's? | Eph 5:33 | ava4 | 66293 | ||
Rabbi Mark, Lack of a personal profile always bothers me. Just as belonging to a local congregation will bring us to accountability because we are a known quantity among our brother's and sister's, so, too, may a personal profile on this site go toward removing some the anonymity you have been enjoying that has permitted you to continue with your pompous attitude toward fellow forum members and believers in Christ. I have been reading your 'postings and I am struck by your condescending manner. While you 'use' verses very well to 'instruct' others you are puffed up with an insidious pride that reveals, to me, you have failed to be instructed by the verses yourself. Perhaps if you would lay your crown at the foot of the cross and surrender yourself to Christ Jesus, your arrogance would take flight and you could begin a proper relationship with God in Christ. yours in Christ, dennis |
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