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1 | is there security of the believer | Rom 8:39 | New Creature | 68181 | ||
CORKY Security for branches depends entirely upon their remaining connected with the vine. (John 15:2,6) Blessings New Creature |
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2 | is there security of the believer | Rom 8:39 | Robert Nicholson | 68184 | ||
Greetings New Creature: Your statement: " Security for branches depends entirely upon their remaining connected to the vine. (John 15:2,6) My statement "Our security is anchored in the worth and work of our Lord Jesus Christ who paid the ultimate price for our redemption. The eternal life which is ours when we trust him is a gift which is given to us the moment we rest in the finished work of Christ. (Romans 6:23) I agree that we must be connected to the vine which is Christ in order to have eternal life. The analogy of the grape vine is used by Jesus in John 15 to describe the union between Christ and the believer. First, we are grafted into him the moment we are born again. He is the main vine and the believers are the branches. The branches cannot be independent of the vine (Christ) who is the source of life and sustenance for the branch. In fact we are totally dependent upon him for he said "without me you can do nothing". The topic in John 15 is dealing with fruit bearing in the life of a believer. To abide in him is to be a disciple of his, submitting to his will and as such we will bring forth fruit (Gal. 5: 22-26.) If we abide in him we will a) abide in his love, b) have full joy v.11, c)have love for one another, d) be friends, not servants, e) our fruit remains f) answered prayer. If we are not willing to abide in him by being submissive to his will, we will wither and at the judgment seat of Christ our work will be tried by fire, only the work which honors Christ will remain. Discipleship is an important excercise for a believer and is the out-working of what Christ has done within. However, our security is not based on our work, but on the work of Christ on the cross. I believe that is why we are given such powerful portions of scripture such as Romans 8:34-39 Peace in our Saviour's name Robert |
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3 | is there security of the believer | Rom 8:39 | New Creature | 68197 | ||
Thanks Robert Not only is John 15 talking about bearing fruit, but about branches which represent believers, and the possibility of them being cut off, for not bearing fruit. After being cut off the branches not fruit, dry up because the life giving sap no longer flows through them. Then when they become dry and completely withered they are gathered and thrown into the fire and burned. (John 15:2,6) Thats how I see the text, and I believe it is stated pretty clear. Having said that I realize not all will agree with my thoughts. Blessings New Creature |
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4 | is there security of the believer | Rom 8:39 | BradK | 68211 | ||
New Creature, It may be of interest to note that in John 15:2 the literal translation of prune (Gr. airo) is "he lifts up" :-)This does offer the possibility of a significantly different meaning. Possibly Tim Moran could offer further comment as none of the majority translations render it literally. Speaking the Truth In Love, BradK |
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5 | is there security of the believer | Rom 8:39 | New Creature | 68234 | ||
Thanks BradK I have looked at the meaning behind those verses Here is an added bonus for you and others Especially interesting is the last paragraph Different Bible Versions rendering of John 15:2 and 15:6 King James Version - taken away in verse 2 and cast forth in verse 6 Amplifed Version - cuts away in verse 2 and thrown out in verse 6 New American Standard Version - takes away in verse 2, and thrown away in verse 6 NIV Version - cuts off in verse 2, and thrown away in verse 6 Contemporary English Version - cuts away in verse 2 and thrown away in verse 6 New King James Version - takes away in verse 2 and cast out in verse 6 The Living Bible Translation - lops off verse 2 and thrown away in verse 6 Revised Standard Version - takes away in verse 2 and cast forth in verse 6 Todays English Version – breaks off in verse 2 and thrown out in verse 6 Gideons International Bible Version - cuts off in verse 2 and thrown away in verse 6 Weymouth Translation – takes away verse 2 and thrown away verse 6 Youngs Literal Translation – take it away verse 2 and cast forth verse 6 Darby – takes it away verse 2 and cast out verse 6 World English Bible – takes away verse 2 and thrown out verse 6 Websters Bible – taketh away verse 2 and cast forth verse 6 Basic English Bible – takes away verse 2 and becomes dead verse 6 J.B.Phillips New Testament Version - removes in verse 2 and broken off in verse 6 The Jerusalem Bible Version - cuts away in verse 2 and thrown away in verse 6 The Greek word for take in John 15:2 is "airo", which means "to lift, (see Gen. 40:19 N.I.V.) carry, take up or away. It is also use in John 1:29 of Christ as "the Lamb of God which taketh away the sin of the world," and the same use of the word can be found in 1 Cor. 5:2 which reads: "And ye are puffed up, and have not rather morned, that he that has done this deed might be taken away from among you." (Vine's Complete Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words) In John 15:2 the word away is used in connection with various verbs such as "take away" and is translated "away with" implying a forcible removal for the purpose of putting to death. (Vine's Complete Expository Dictionary Of Old And New Testament Words) Blessings my friend |
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