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1 | is there security of the believer | Rom 8:39 | Emmaus | 116806 | ||
Hank, The dicussion about perseverence of the saints has all the negative potential of discussions about predestination because the two ideas are linked. All Christians believe in predestination because it is in the Bible. But they disagree about exactly what predestination means and whether one still on earth can know with absolute as opposed to moral certainty if they are among the predestined or not. God's knowledge is that sure, but is ours this side of the grave? The same applies to the perseverence of the saints. The saints are those who persevere to the end and God knows who those are. But can we know before we reach the end of the race whether we are running in vain? Not with absolute certainty. Not this side of the finish line. At least that is what some of us hold. The Greek word translated as perseverence and endurance is the same. So the question is do you read these passage as the NASB has them. Matt 24:13 "But the one who endures to the end, he will be saved. Mark 13:13 "You will be hated by all because of My name, but the one who endures to the end, he will be saved. James 1:12 Blessed is a man who perseveres under trial; for once he has been approved, he will receive the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him. or do you translate them this way: Matt 24:13 "But the one who is saved, he will persevere to the end. Mark 13:13 "You will be hated by all because of My name, but the one who is saved, he will persevere to the end. James 1:12 Blessed is a man who is saved for under trial he will persevere; and he has been approved, and he will receive the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him. I think the NASB has it right. I find it rather puzzling that many who reject Calvin's concept of predestination, accept his concept of perseverence of the saints when it comes to the question of eternal security. Then we get into "many are called, but few are chosen." And disputes over passages such as the parable of the sower and the seed and passages in Hebrews and various passages of Paul's letters. Both sides believe that is God's grace working in them. The question is whether God's grace is irresistible, once received or can we dis-grace ourselves. And then we are back to TULIP. Do we really want to go there? Thank God for the prohibition on the Forum. Emmaus |
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2 | is there security of the believer | Rom 8:39 | compudex | 116807 | ||
Dear Emmaus, We have had discussions in the past and I had thought of you as one that understood the Scriptures, but by your statements, "But can we know before we reach the end of the race whether we are running in vain? Not with absolute certainty. Not this side of the finish line. At least that is what some of us hold.", I have been convinced by your own mouth that you have not faith in the Word of God. Even Jesus Himself. Present tense: (Joh 3:18 NASB) "He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. (Joh 5:24 NASB) "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. (Joh 11:25, 26 NASB) Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me will live even if he dies, and everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die. Do you believe this?" (Eph 2:6 NASB) and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, And Paul knew he was saved (also present tense) and exhorts us to know it also: (2Ti 4:7, 8 NASB) I have fought the good fight, I have finished the course, I have kept the faith; in the future there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on that day; and not only to me, but also to all who have loved His appearing. If you still continue not to know your standing wherein you stand there also is a verse for you: (Jam 1:7, 8 NASB) For that man ought not to expect that he will receive anything from the Lord, being a double-minded man, unstable in all his ways. As Christ said, some have become so literal and have disected the Scriptures so much, that they have lost the essence of the Word. Jesus said to certain Jews, (Joh 5:39, 40 NASB) "You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me; you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life." And studying to show yourself approved is good, but it continues to say, (2Ti 2:15 NASB) ..."accurately handling the word of truth." Some look more to what man has said rather than what God has said. May you come to know this Jesus, compudex |
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3 | is there security of the believer | Rom 8:39 | kalos | 116808 | ||
Compudex: We err when we assume that because someone else does not agree with our interpretation of Scripture that he does not have faith in the Word of God. We should not say "May you come to know this Jesus" to someone who does not agree with us. Let us stick to the issues being discussed and not attack the character or spiritual status of those who do not share our interpretation of the Scriptures. --kalos |
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4 | is there security of the believer | Rom 8:39 | compudex | 116809 | ||
kalos, How do we interpret, "has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life." Either these are the words of Christ are they are not. Choose. compudex |
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5 | is there security of the believer | Rom 8:39 | kalos | 116811 | ||
"It takes God a long time to get us to stop thinking that unless everyone sees things exactly as we do, they must be wrong." ____________________ "Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free..." (Galatians 5:1). 'A spiritually-minded person will never come to you with the demand-"Believe this and that"; a spiritually-minded person will demand that you align your life with the standards of Jesus. We are [asked]...to believe the One whom the Bible reveals (see John 5:39-40). We are called to present liberty for the conscience of others, not to bring them liberty for their thoughts and opinions. And if we ourselves are free with the liberty of Christ, others will be brought into that same liberty -- the liberty that comes from realizing the absolute control and authority of Jesus Christ. 'Always measure your life solely by the standards of Jesus. Submit yourself to His yoke, and His alone; and always be careful never to place a yoke on others that is not of Jesus Christ. It takes God a long time to get us to stop thinking that unless everyone sees things exactly as we do, they must be wrong. That is never God's view. There is only one true liberty -- the liberty of Jesus at work in our conscience enabling us to do what is right. 'Don't get impatient with others. Remember how God dealt with you -- with patience and with gentleness. But never water down the truth of God. Let it have its way and never apologize for it. Jesus said, "Go...and make disciples..." (Matthew 28:19), not, "Make converts to your own thoughts and opinions.' ____________________ (http://www1.gospelcom.net/rbc/utmost/devo/05-06.shtml) |
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