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1 | is there security of the believer | Rom 8:39 | CORKY | 68136 | ||
Romans 8: 38, 39 Matthew 25: 30 is there security of the believer or not | ||||||
2 | is there security of the believer | Rom 8:39 | Emmy | 116672 | ||
If one remains in Him then yes, but do "abide" Make the choice to abide, and no one can remove you. 1 John 2: 28 And now, little children, abide in Him, so that when He appears, we may have confidence and not shrink away from Him in shame at His coming. Sincerely Henry and Emmy |
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3 | is there security of the believer | Rom 8:39 | Hank | 116712 | ||
THE FINAL PERSEVERANCE OF THE SAINTS - PART 1 -- Henry and Emmy, my special friend, Colin (flinkywood), who has asked me about this, and Forum readers in general: Any treatment of the doctrines of salvation must include some discussion of the perseverance of the believer in salvation. This doctrine is sometimes popularly called "once saved, always saved" and the "eternal security of the believer." I hold, and will attempt to show, that all true believers endure to the end. Those whom God has accepted in Christ, and sanctified by His Spirit, will never fall away from the state of grace, but shall persevere to the end. Believers may fall into sin, yet they shall be kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation. The doctrine does not mean or imply that a believer will never sin. On the other hand, the doctrine does not mean that a person will be saved regardless of what he is or does. What does the doctrine of the perseverance of the saints teach? It simply means that God will cause those who truly believe in Jesus to persevere to the end. It asserts that the regenerating grace of God so changes a person that he can never be the same again. It is not that a Christian will be saved whether he continues in faith and holiness or not. Indeed, the doctrine teaches that no one will be saved unless he perseveres. However, it further teaches that the enabling grace of God will cause the believer to continue in faith and godliness and thus attain final salvation. If he does not continue in faith and holiness he is not a true believer (1 John 2:19). In other words, the saints will persevere because God preserves them (1 Peter 1:5). Thus, the doctrine does not afford a ticket to "cheap grace" as Dietrich Bonhoeffer aptly termed it. In Part 2, I will submit biblical evidence for the doctrine of perseverance in four statements of proof. --Hank | ||||||
4 | is there security of the believer | Rom 8:39 | Emmy | 116767 | ||
Hank I have encountered these arguements before, but we disagree. Our premises are opposite on this point. Mine: One can fall away. Your: One cannot fall away. We can therefore not both be right on this point. Logical conclusions: If you are right then I have nothing to lose, since you claim that if one is born again, though he sin or hold erroneous beliefs he cannot lose life. If I am right, I am likely to be more vigilant, knowing the possibility exists that things could turn out wrong in the end. Sincerely Henry and Emmy |
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5 | is there security of the believer | Rom 8:39 | kalos | 116777 | ||
Henry and Emmy: With all respect, may I point out: If your premise is that one can fall away, then it is likely your conclusion will be that one can fall away. Let's not get the horse before the cart, or, in this case, the conclusion before the premise. Grace to you, kalos |
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6 | is there security of the believer | Rom 8:39 | Emmy | 116855 | ||
Dear kalos: Does the logic you state also apply to your premise and conclusion. From my view point this is how it works: I did not start with the premise that one could fall away. I started by reading scripture. These readings lead to the conclusion that one can fall away. We then found that no scripture passage contradicts this premise at any time. If you wish, post a passage that you think says most strongly that one cannot fall away and I'll try toreturn a response as to exactly what I think the passage means. Sincerely Emmy and Henry |
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