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1 | Do I have to be Baptized to be saved? | Rom 10:9 | Hank | 72967 | ||
So the faith of the thief was sufficient but faith later was made insufficient? Is that what you believe and teach? Why? Did Christ change His mind on the subject? What salvific properties does water have? More than, or equal to, the shed blood of Christ on the cross? Why must we perform a supplementary rite as an adjunct to God's saving grace? Is it not sufficient? What help does the Lord need to bring about our salvation? Does regeneration take place before, during, or after baptism, and is it the cause or the result of regeneration? --Hank | ||||||
2 | Do I have to be Baptized to be saved? | Rom 10:9 | disciplerami | 72969 | ||
It seems that you did not read my note. You may be looking at this through a human paradigm which prohibits a proper understanding. Faith has always been required for salvation: from Adam onward. But faith that was demonstrated by David [or Abraham, Noah, etc] was different than what God requires in the New Testament [if you are up on the book of Hebrews, you know that the New Testament/Covenant did not take effect until the cross]. The thief demonstrated his faith the only way required, by confession, which demonstrated belief and repentance. On the other side of the cross, salvation continues to be 'by faith.' Ephesians says we are saved by grace, through faith. But on this side of the cross, the faith is demonstrated by belief, confession, repentance, and baptism. "What salvific properties does water have?" Hank, water is water. The water through which Naaman passed had no 'salvific' properties, but it was there at the water that cleansing occured. The water through which Noah passed had no 'salvific' properties, but it was there that his salvation occured. You and I both know that water has no 'salvific' properties, but it is there in the watery grave that the person of faith is united with Christ, buried with Christ, and raised from that grave through faith in the working of God (see, if you have time, Romans 6:3-5; Col. 2:12). About the 'supplementary rite' you speak of. Take it up with God. I didn't put the words in Jesus mouth. "Go and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them......." What a lot of people seem to miss is that God assigned a purpose for baptism. The purpose is burial 'with Christ' and 'forgiveness of sins.' EIS, of Acts 2:38, shows that repentance AND baptism are obeyed WITH A VIEW TO, UNTO, FOR [our preposition 'for' is sufficient, but not the best rendering of the greek EIS since the Greek word is ALWAYS prospective, never the retrospective BECAUSE] forgiveness of sins. "is it the cause or the result of regeneration?" Hank, it is neither. The cause is faith in the blood of Jesus Christ, which is demonstrated at baptism. Baptism is the 'point in time' that a person is saved. It isn't the water that saves, it isn't the work that saves [by works of the flesh shall no man be justified], it isn't the baptizer that saves [holy priesthood isn't required], it isn't the faith of the parents [infant baptism is insufficient]. But the salvation begins at the baptism. Colossians 2:12 says, "having been buried with Christ in baptism, in which you were also raised up with Him THROUGH FAITH in the working of God." Colossians 3:1 says, "therefore if you have been raised up with Christ, keep seeking the things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God." When the Colossians read chapter 3:1, they would naturally look back to the twelfth verse of chapter 2 and think of baptism. IT IS ABOUT FAITH, not works. Galatians 3:26,27 says, 'you are sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, FOR all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ." No properly baptized person would say, 'that baptism is powerful, there must be some powerful voo-doo in that water.' The person's faith is not in water, man, works, but in the blood alone. It's simple. Good day. |
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