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1 | Who is Jesus' God? | John 3:16 | Tara1 | 112049 | ||
Alpha and Omega. Who is this “A” to “Z” so to speak, according to the Scriptures? Who is this “first and last,” and “beginning and end” I will note three manuscript variations that lend support to a specific line of thought which have contributed to varying conclusions. By a study of each occurrence of these descriptions or titles, we can determine who was intended to be referred to, according to context. Rev 1:8, according to the NIV and NWT agree that the Alpha and Omega is the Almighty God who is Jehovah and there are no varying ancient manuscripts of this verse. Now let’s look at verse seven and see if the link is legitimate in identifying verse 7 to verse 8 to being Jesus. Who is the one one identified in verse 7 where it says, “the One who is, and who was, and who is to come” is given to One who is clearly distinguished from both the “seven spirits” and “Jesus Christ.” Obviously the only other one from whom “undeserved kindness and peace” could come is the Father. The “coming” of the “Alpha and Omega” in verse 8 is consistent with Jehovah’s “coming” in verse four. Revelation 6:16,17 also tell us of the Father’s coming along with the Lamb. Note the word “their“ in the phrase, “the great day of their wrath has come”. The Textus Reseptus (from which we have the KJV and Jerusalem Bible versions) has the Greek for “His” (autou). The other main manuscripts such as the Sinaitic MS of the fourth century and according to Bruce Metzger, A Textual Commentary on the Greek New Testament, 1975, “all minuscule” have the Greek word for “their” (autwn). This interpolation lends support to a line of thought not originally intended. Thus Rev 1:7 speaks of Jesus’ coming. Rev 1:8 speaks of Jehovah’s coming. Rev 1:4 speaks of Jehovah’s coming. The second interpolation of ancient manuscripts is found in Rev 1:11. If this interpolation were correct, if the KJV, Textus Reseptus were correct then Jesus would be an indisputed reference as the Alpha and Omega since verses twelve through twenty show him to be the speaker in this context. What’s interesting is that other Bible versions also add the words “Alpha and Omega”, dishonesty at it’s height, such as, “The Living Bible”, “The Amplified New Testament“, and “Young’s Literal Translation of the Holy Bible”, by Robert Young who even admits that “the oldest MSS.” omit the Alpha and Omega interpolation, in his commentary, “Young’s Concise Commentary on the Holy Bible“, paperback ed 1977 p. 179. Revelation 21:6 too should be understood to refer to Jehovah, the Father and God of Jesus when taken in context. Verse five tells us that the One seated on the throne is the speaker and in verse 6 he identifies himself as the “Alpha and the Omega”. Now I ask of the last of verse 7, who will be his son? The opening words identifies those that conquer as “his son”. Gal 3:26 and 4: |
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2 | Who is Jesus' God? | John 3:16 | Tara1 | 112050 | ||
part 2 6 tells us that those ‘brothers’ (spiritually speaking) of Jesus are referred to as “sons of God.” The Scriptures never refer to the conquering Christians as “sons” to Jesus Christ. (Heb 2:11 and Matt. 12:50 and 25:40 show them as “brothers” not “sons” of Jesus Christ. Revelation 22:12-13 too should be understood to refer to Jehovah, the Father and God of Jesus. This verse contains phrases such as “the first and the last“, obviously another way of saying the “Alpha and the Omega”, likewise “the beginning and the end”. The Alpha and the Omega begins speaking in verse 12 and notice how he continues to identify himself as one who is coming on down through verse 15. Then in verse 16 the question is whether or not the speaker changes or stays the same. If it does not change then the Alpha and the Omega would reference Jesus. Does the simple conclusion that verse 16 begins with the first-person singular “I” followed by the identification of the speaker, “Jesus,” mean that the previous verses are also the words of Jesus? Two examples from this same Bible book show this does not necessarily mean that that must be the case. Rev 1:9 is one example where if we concluded such has to be the case then the apostle John would have to be the Alpha and the Omega. But I know of no one that argues that this is the case. The second example is Rev 22:8. Would anyone argue that John is the one “coming quickly” in verse 7? So, there are indeed sudden changes of speakers in the book of Revelation since Rev 1:1 says, “A revelation by (1) Jesus Christ, which (2) God gave him, . . . And he sent forth his (3) angel and presented it in signs through him (3)(angel) to his slave (4) John.” Consider the thought that the “angel” of verses 12-16 of chapter 22 might very well be speaking for both “the Alpha and the Omega” and Jesus Christ in verses 12-16, read the dialogue between John and one of God’s angels found in Rev 21:9-22:11. Notice in whatever Bible version you read these verses the various breaks for changes of speakers are provided by punctuation in the English language, since it was not there originally. There are many examples in the OT where angels speak for God and even referring to themselves as Jehovah.-Ex 3:2-6; Ac 7:30 “The First and the Last” an expression found three timesin the book of Revelation. Rev 1:17-18 identifies Jesus as the “First and the Last”. Rev 2:8 likewise shows by its context that Jesus is the “First and the Last”. Both of these are in relation to his death and unique resurrection by his Father and interestingly, is the reason for his being called the “firstborn from the dead” as in Rev 1:5 and Col 1:18 Also, notice that the “Alpha and the Omega” is Not used in conjunction with this “the First and Last” in these two places and neither is the phrase “the beginning and the end”. Now notice how an ancient manuscript helps to draw an accurate conclusion. Just a couple hundred years after John’s writing the book of Revelation the Codex Alexandrinus reads “firstborn,” instead of “first,” at both Revelation 1:17 and 2:8; but in 22:12 where the “Alpha and the Omega” is lacking and would be dying and coming to life again, we find “first”, not “firstborn”. This shows that the scribes of Codex A saw a |
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3 | Who is Jesus' God? | John 3:16 | Tara1 | 112051 | ||
difference in the references to Jesus in 1:17 and 2:8 and the “Alpha and Omega”. In the margin of certain Hebrew manuscripts of the Masoretic text there are notations that read: “This is one of the eighteen emendations of the Sopherim,” or similar expressions. These emendations (corrections) were made with good intentions because the original passage appeared to show irreverence for God. One of the 18 emendations is found at Habakkuk 1:12 where it tells us that Jehovah cannot die. It says, “You do not die.” Heb., lo´ ta·muth´. This was the original reading, but the Sopherim changed it to read lo´ na·muth´, “we shall not die”. Rev 22:12,13 has the “Alpha and Omega” with “the First and the Last” thus it must refer to Jehovah God and not to Jesus Christ. Tara1 |
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4 | Who is Jesus' God? | John 3:16 | CDBJ | 112058 | ||
Dear Tara1, You have been shown time and time again Scripture that verifies that Jesus Christ is in fact deity yet you reject and deny the Scriptures that point this fact out. I would like lastly to point out to you that you are in direct violation of the agreement that you said that you would agree to when you entered the forum! The entry in to the forum contains following. You must abide by the following rules in connection with your use of the Forums: * Postings must be Biblically based and not opposing to the authority of the Bible, Christianity, or the deity of Jesus Christ. It is my firm opinion that you have continually violated this agreement with regards to the deity of Jesus Christ! Thank you, CDBJ |
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5 | Who is Jesus' God? | John 3:16 | Tara1 | 112069 | ||
Hello CDBJ, Your profile says, "I personally trusted in Jesus Christ to be the very Son Of God and my Savior in Oct. 1965, while reading the Bible by myself. I thuoght at the time that I was the only one in the World that knew the message of salvation, as I had never heard it before. I thought that I had a lot of work to do to get this message out, all by myself. Praise the Lord, I found out that there are more of us who love Jesus for who He is and what He did. I have been teaching home Bible studies, and in the past few years the Lord has helped me write Biblical poetry, to try and reach people. I study a lot and I enjoy the Greek of the New Testament. I am very bothered by people who claim to be believers yet don't have a hunger for God's precious Word! You can reach me by E-mail cbickett@neo.rr.com That's exactly what I'm saying here! I have not said anything contrary to your statement in your profile. If we go beyond that then we are adding and taking away from Scripture (Rev. 22:18) by interpretation, using man's philosophy or tradition. I am well versed in what tradition has done to our beloved Word of God and deem it a deplorable atrocity to accept puny man's manipulations bringing dishonor to our Almighty Loving Heavenly Father and of the One whom he sent forth. I believe with all my heart what John 17:3 says to you and me, "This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ. 4 I have glorified you on the earth, having finished the work you have given me to do. 5 So now you, Father, glorify me alongside yourself with the glory that I had alongside you before the world was." Don't you? Tara1 |
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6 | Who is Jesus' God? | John 3:16 | CDBJ | 112089 | ||
Well Tara1, lets cut to the chase; do you believe in the deity of Jesus Christ? Just a simple yes or no will do, unless you have a personal agenda that is not for the good of the forum! CDBJ |
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7 | Who is Jesus' God? | John 3:16 | Tara1 | 112108 | ||
Hello CDBJ, My personal answer is a resounding, "Yes"! I've explained this time and again. Tara1 |
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8 | Who is Jesus' God? | John 3:16 | EdB | 112131 | ||
Tara1 If you believe Jesus is God then why do you keep citing text from the New World Translation written by people that are totally opposed to that truth? EdB |
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