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1 | Is Jesus the 'Eternal Father'? | Is 9:6 | Ray | 9696 | ||
Hi Nolan, Let me praise God with you that each of these translations are "giving us the appropriate message and a vivid picture of Jesus being God in every way while also being a 'Babe', 'Son', and 'Man'..." I am reminded of the passage in Acts where it speaks of "the whole message of this Life". I think that the attention given to capitalization will result in a more accurate understanding of the way of God. See Acts 5:20 and Acts 18:26 for an example of this possibility; that is, a more accurate teaching, the whole message. I compared Isa 9:6 with some other scriptures concerning this Child Jesus. A comparison with Luke 2:17ff points out a contrast in names and tenses. Isaiah says of this Child (my capital),"And His name will be called..." while Luke 2:21 says that "His name was then called Jesus, the name given by the angel before He was conceived in the womb." Concerning "His" kingdom of Isa 9:7, I compared it with Matthew 2:6, "For out of you shall come forth a Ruler..." My personal choice is the NKJ here. I believe that we have to interpret the scriptures as we understand them today. I know that He is a Ruler and our King. I think that we have to be careful who we think the "subject" is in our considerations. For this passage isn't about us or our name, it isn't about our government or our throne. This is the word of God and His zeal will accomplish His will. Later, Ray |
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2 | Is Jesus the 'Eternal Father'? | Is 9:6 | Makarios | 9731 | ||
Blessings Ray! When you stated, "I think that the attention given to capitalization will result in a more accurate understanding of the way of God." This is very true! In fact, this is one of the very reasons that influenced my choice of the NASB and NKJV over the NIV as my 'primary' Bibles. You cited Acts 5:20 and Acts 18:26 as examples of how attention given to capitalization in translation can result in more accurate understandings of the way of God. In Acts 5:20, the NKJV translates this verse as "words of this life", basically referring to the new life that a believer has in Jesus Christ. The NASB translates it this way, "the whole message of this Life." So we can see that the NASB is 'pointing past' the new life and to the Life Himself! :) I knew that if we kept digging, we would find at least one place where the NASB capitalizes a reference to Deity where the NKJV doesn't. The Amplified also capitalizes 'Life' here.. I see no discrepancy at all in Acts 18:26, even among the NIV, HCSB, KJV, and ASV. So I do not see where in Acts 18:26 where it proves that capitalization can prove to be a great aid in understanding the complete impact of a verse. Also, in Matthew 2:6, all three translations (NASB, NKJV and Amplified) capitalize the word "Ruler" [NASB- 'RULER'], showing complete agreement that this word should be capitalized since it pertains to Deity. These questions are always interesting Ray! Good study! Nolan |
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3 | Is Jesus the 'Eternal Father'? | Is 9:6 | Ray | 9820 | ||
Hi Nolan, I have just a few thoughts about Acts 18 and I don't know if I can tie them into this Isaiah thread or not. We may have to go into another tree for our discussion. The tie in of my thoughts would be with Acts 18:28 where it says that Apollos was "demonstrating by the Scriptures that Jesus was the Christ." He was the Child prophecied in Isaiah 9:6. My thought concerning capitalization and Acts 18:25-28 was that the reality of Jesus being the Messiah could very possibly have not been fully realized by Apollos before Priscilla and Aquila heard him speak and "took him aside". Apollos was "mighty in the scriptures" so he spoke from the scriptures. Something he said did not perfectly fit; it was accurate as far as he went, but there was still more that he could learn from the scriptures he used. Priscilla and Aquila "explained to him the way of God more accurately." The versions that we are using more accurately tell the Messianic Psalms for example. Perhaps they were his "text". In any case, something was explained more accurately; and he began to demonstrate by the Scriptures that Jesus was the Christ. It was in the sense of being more accurate that I saw a connection with capitalization. One thing about the "way of God" is that it is the way of love and there is a connection with believing through grace in this passage. I don't believe right now that they talked about the Way of God. What do you think? Is there any new scripture tree you want to go to? |
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4 | Is Jesus the 'Eternal Father'? | Is 9:6 | Makarios | 9843 | ||
Greetings Ray! I find your connection of the 'accuracy' of capitalization to Priscilla and Aquila explaining the way of God to Apollos more 'accurately' as quite interesting! :) We could go on to explore what these verses (Acts 18:25-28) meant when the "way of God" was explained more accurately to Apollos.. "18:25- Apollos was "instructed in the way of the Lord" with much thoroughness. The Greek word translated "instructed" is the source of our word "catechized," a compound of "again" (, Gk.) and "to echo" or "to sound" (, Gk.). The idea is to re-echo or to teach a student by repetitious sounding, an old and proven method of oral instruction which was popular among Hebrews. Apollos was also "fervent in the spirit" and could teach "accurately" or diligently concerning the faith. One great gap loomed in his total makeup: he knew "only the baptism of John." At this point the sensitivity for ministry of Aquila and Priscilla appeared. On hearing Apollos preach accurately, in fervent spirit and with boldness, they were moved to take "him aside" and to expound to him "the way of God more accurately" (v. 26). Therefore, a sensitivity to someone's need, a concern for his spiritual instruction and accurate information, resulted in Apollos joining the efforts of the apostles. His expertise and eloquence may explain why some have suggested that he wrote the Book of Hebrews. Before embracing the faith, which centered in a Christ who had already come rather than in the message implied by the knowledge of the "baptism of John," Apollos had already shown great acumen and fervor. He was also bold "in the synagogue" at a time when all care and tact were necessary in approaching the Hebrews with the gospel of a Messiah who had already come and accomplished His work of redemption. Apollos gained the confidence of the brethren of the area. When he wanted to go over into Achaia, the brethren wrote to the disciples to receive him despite his unusual preparation and his background (v. 27). He was a very persuasive and convincing speaker, inasmuch as he presented the O.T. Scriptures in a vigorous manner that inspired many Jews in Achaia to believe Jesus was the Christ (v. 28)." (Believer's Study Bible) "Ordinances, Baptism by Holy Spirit—Apollos had been instructed in the way of the Lord Jesus. He taught about Jesus accurately, but he knew only John’s baptism. For him baptism had been a sign of repentance and expectation. He had to learn that baptism was a symbol of the death and resurrection of Christ and thus of the believer’s new life in Christ." (Disciple's Study Bible) Ray, these are interesting questions. We could study any verses that you like! :) Nolan |
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5 | Is Jesus the 'Eternal Father'? | Is 9:6 | Ray | 9879 | ||
Hi Nolan, Let's leave the Child here in Isaiah and go to the Prophet of John 1:21. | ||||||