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1 | Is there middle ground? | Romans | EdB | 7877 | ||
I came across this quote and I had to append it to the forum after all the discussion on Election – Free Will and Calvinism - Arminianism “… in Romans 9, which deals with one of the thorniest theological problems in the Bible: predestination. It comes on very strongly on the side of divine election, which may lead you to conclude that Paul was a Calvinist and not an Armenian. I, however, believe he was both. You see, I believe that in most of the great theological controversies that have separated the Church, there has been light on both sides. Each side quotes the Scriptures that support them and ignores the Scriptures that are against them. I personally believe that it is logically possible to find an interpretation that affirms both truths. I believe it is the inevitable choice you have to make if you believe the whole Bible.” Quote by Derek Prince in the Summer 2001 issue of Christians for Israel Today. Could we all search for that middle ground Derek Prince talks about? I like his last sentence it is something you have to do if you believe the whole Bible. |
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2 | Is there middle ground? | Romans | Lionstrong | 7890 | ||
Since both views contradict each other, they both cannot be true. If one view is in error, what "middle ground" can there be? What is the middle ground between truth and error. I think Prince's suggestion is part of the tripe our secular culture has been trying to feed us. Yes, the issue is complicated, but on the ponts the two views disagree, there is clearly no compromise possible. Just thank God that his word is truth. We may not agree sometimes what that truth is, but both sides agree where it can be found. | ||||||
3 | Is there middle ground? | Romans | EdB | 7965 | ||
Lionstrong your assuming one side is wrong and one is right. Could it be they are equally wrong and the correct understanding is something else? I think I know just about every verse the Calvinist use and I also know just about every verse Arminians use. If you compare them one for one you come out with a tie unless you are predisposed to read into either something that is not there. Then if you take the verses used to prove predestination and those that show free will or choice, you again come out for all intents and purposes tied. I submit to that proves something is wrong. As you said both can't be right, and we know the Bible does not contradict itself therefore we must be doing something wrong. What could that be? Are we tainting our reading by with prejudiced and presumed ideas? Before you answer think about it. Men of equal intelligence, equal sincerity, equal hunger for the truth have debated this topic for over 500 years. Yet they reach no satisfactory answer. Why? I contend they have been trying to prove their point rather than find the real answer. I can listen to the arguments of the Calvinist and see their point, however if I remove their bias, their slant to scripture then I can also read the scripture to mean something entirely different. I can then listen to the arguments of the Arminians and see their point. And again if I remove their bias and slant I can see an entirely different reading to scripture. Is Mr. Prince so far off? No, I think not. He is not asking for or suggesting a compromise. He is saying there has to be true doctrine that answers each sides questions, which neither Calvinism nor Arminianism presently does. Therefore there has to be another answer. Lionstrong I thought Derek Prince spoke with wisdom you don’t. Your sure what he said was an attempt to weaken or compromise doctrine. I see him saying there has to be an answer that responds or addresses each side of this debate with a non changing, read nothing into it answer. You see him saying let’s agree to disagree and reach a compromise. I think the fact that we both see Derek Prince saying something different says one of us read what he said with a preconceived notion. Maybe that is how we are reading the scriptures also. |
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4 | Is there middle ground? | Romans | Lionstrong | 21568 | ||
Dear Ed, While in many issues where contradictory views are held, I suppose, both views CAN be false even though it is logically IM-possible for both to be true. But in the case of the contradictory views held by Reformed and Arminian believers, while it’s true that they cannot both be true, it is also true that they CANNOT both be false either. ...... The Bible teaches that God has planned for certain things to come to pass, most importantly the death of Christ for the sins of his people. In this case of God’s sovereign plan Arminian and Calvinist believers CAN’T both be wrong. For them both to be wrong would mean that NOTHING happens according to the plan of God, Instead of the Arminian “some” and the Calvinist “all,” we would live in a world of total chaotic chance, if both views were false. ......... Sorry I was so long in answering your post. Peace, Lionstrong, a.k.a. LooseCannon | ||||||
5 | Is there middle ground? | Romans | EdB | 21569 | ||
Lionstrong I did not say they were both false. I said the the idea developed from them must have some flaw. You say that C and A believers can't both be wrong. Why not? Couldn't either be to far to the left and the other to far to right and the truth lies in the middle? Again scripture does not contradict itself. Only our interpretation does. I personally think the C's have some good points and the A's have some good points and if either would quit trying to prove the other wrong and see what they can agree on they would resolve the problem. EdB |
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6 | Is there middle ground? | Romans | Hank | 21574 | ||
Calvinists and Armenians, in real life, probably do get along much better together than in a medium such as this forum, where things tend to wander off subject and get blown out of proportion, and where for reasons unknown, the color of milk simply must, for 40 days and 40 nights at a bare minimum, be debated. --Hank, a.k.a. Wabash Cannonball | ||||||
7 | Is there middle ground? | Romans | EdB | 21641 | ||
Hank Amen! |
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