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1 | Actual bodies in heaven? | 1 John 3:2 | bill0624 | 214001 | ||
Hi Val. I think we have may gotten off on the proverbial wrong foot, so please allow me to make a couple of statements. That way, even if you disagree with me, you will at least know where I am coming from and why I write as I do. 1. With the NASB, the Lockman Foundation strives, as much as possible, to get back to the original wording, syntax, and meaning of the scriptures. This is laudable. Every Bible is, on some level, a translation and no translation is perfect. But I believe that the Christian community and our culture is best served by translations that try to stay as close to the original scriptures as we can get and allow the communities themselves to discuss and interpret the meanings of the texts. In a similar way, being a follower of Jesus, I try, as much as is humanly possible, to get back to the original teachings of Jesus. This means that I often have to side with Jesus on certain issues rather than with my culture. This also means that I sometimes have to side with Jesus rather than with church or Christian tradition. This occasionally means that I have to side with Jesus rather then with Moses, Joshua, Isaiah, or even the beloved apostle Paul. After all, Jesus himself said that all authority in heaven and on earth was given to him, not to the entirety of the scriptures. So I am not overly concerned with whether or not my beliefs line up with denomination lines, creeds, statements of faith, or the traditions of the church. My concern is, do my beliefs line up with what Jesus taught? If I have to side with Jesus rather than with church tradition on an issue, I happily side with Jesus. 2. Sarcasm is not a bad thing as long as it is not being sarcastic with people. Remember “Cut off your hand if it offends you” or “Pluck out your eye” or “I wish they would completely emasculate themselves”? Sarcasm can sometimes be an effective way to show how viewpoints that we take for granted could be seen in another light. That is how I strive to use sarcasm (if I do decide to use it). Please don’t mistake it for character assassination. We must have the freedom to question ideas without being accused of “attacking others”. We must learn to separate people from the viewpoints that they hold to. If we don’t, then we are forced to go along with another for fear of confronting their viewpoints. And this means we should be willing to have our own viewpoints challenged also, which I am. 3. Lastly, I’m not here to force my viewpoints on anyone. All I am doing is answering questions to the best of my ability and understanding, trusting that the scriptures themselves, especially as found in Jesus’ teachings, are the pathway to wisdom, right living, and eternal life. If people disagree with me, fine. But I am not going to “shut up” just because someone thinks I am going against church tradition on my views. We don’t grow if we don’t learn. And we don’t learn if we think we already know it all. So I am here to learn along with everyone else. My posts are meant to further the conversation, not to put a stamp of finality on a subject. |
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2 | Actual bodies in heaven? | 1 John 3:2 | Val | 214010 | ||
The whole counsel is God's word. He used men such as Moses, Paul, Joshua, Isaiah to accomplish His will. So now I am seeing that you do not believe that the whole counsel of God is inerrant. Also that you are supposing that Jesus is somehow in opposition to Moses, Paul, Joshua, Isaiah. That is a false assumption. They were the Lord's bondservants. I see now that you have a problem with the word of God. Thanks for clearing that up. Sincerely, Val | ||||||
3 | Actual bodies in heaven? | 1 John 3:2 | bill0624 | 214016 | ||
Here we go again, Val, making man-made doctrines: "the whole counsel of God is inerrant." Again, where does the Bible say this? So me one verse, just one, where the Bible says that it is inerrant and infallible. Know what it says? It says it is profitable for training us for good works. That's what it says. Who has all authority? Not the Bible, Jesus! For the record, Jesus is sometimes in opposition to Moses, Paul, Joshua, etc. When they agree with Jesus, I have no problem with them. When they disagree with Jesus, I go with Jesus. Sola Christos! And, finally, let's clear something up. The Word of God is Jesus, not a book assembled during the 2nd century. It has often been said that Protestants removed the Pope from the throne and put the Bible there. Jesus promised us that his spirit would lead us into all truth...but the letter kills. How true! |
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4 | Actual bodies in heaven? | 1 John 3:2 | Morant61 | 214020 | ||
Greetings Bill! This is a Bible study forum. One of the terms of use that you agreed to when you registered is as follows: "Postings must be Biblically based and not opposing the Bible's sole authority (sola Scriptura), Christianity, or the deity of Jesus Christ." If you don't agree with this position, this is not the forum for you my friend! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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5 | Actual bodies in heaven? | 1 John 3:2 | bill0624 | 214021 | ||
And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, "ALL AUTHORITY has been given to ME in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe ALL that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." - Matt 28:18-20 These are my, in Christian lingo, "key verses", Tim. My postings ARE biblically based, based primarily upon Jesus' teachings as found in the gospels as found in the Bible. I don't deny the deity of Jesus Christ. In fact, I find that his deity and his claims to ALL AUTHORITY in heaven and on earth necessitate that I don't put other biblical people on the same level of authority as that of Christ himself. I don't follow Moses. Is this forum saying I should? How odd that on a "Christian" forum, I should have to defend Jesus' authority. Nevertheless, if YOU (or OTHERS here) feel that I am in violation of this forum's policies and that I should be banned here, notify management and should they desire that I leave, I will leave quietly. |
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6 | Actual bodies in heaven? | 1 John 3:2 | MJH | 214047 | ||
bill, I've read a good number of your posts, though not all, and I have to say that you are, I believe, following the rules of the forum. While I'm not going to agree with all of your conclusions, you've made your argument from scripture and tried to do that well. Your approach is one of sincerity, I believe, and you've attempted to be gracious most the time. This is probably why you have, unlike others, not been deleted. I have found that the forum is open to different views and even sometimes those that are a bit far outside of the main stream as long as the person is gracious and attempts as best as they can to back up what they believe with good hermeneutics. I hope that you stick around awhile. I've been here for a number of years now, on and off, and I can assure you that I have not always held to the normative theology of our day, yet I have almost always felt welcome and even appreciated. I'm guessing you would be too. God bless in your studies. MJH |
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