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1 | Women speak in church? | 1 Cor 14:34 | jesusfreak508@aol.com | 58593 | ||
Paul did not contradict himself? In 1 Corinthians 7:25 Paul does have the grace to say that this is not from the Lord, but his own personal opinions (I think that confession was from the Lord!), but does claim that since he is who he is even his opinions should be considered trustworthy. Then he goes on to advise the married men to adopt the attitude of one who is not married! Contrary to God's commands on the same subject in Genesis and to the teachings of Jesus Himself. In that chapter, he tells the unmarried men and women that they should stay that way to better focus on the Lord, then in the chapter 14 verses says women shouldn't be even allowed to ask questions about the Lord except in their home from their husbands. Well, either he's contradicting himself or he's purposely trying to slap a tape over the mouth of at least that generation of women. And yes, I've heard that arguement before about it was just a problem he was trying to correct in that church. But I think chp 11 verse 16, puts the brakes on that notion. "If anyone wants to be contentious about this, we have no other practice--nor do the churches of God." And would you not call it contradictory when the council at Jerusalem under James writing letters to the new Gentile converts tells them to not eat meat sacrificed to idols, then Paul writing in his letters tells them that it doesn't matter unless someone who thinks it is a sin is watching? 'My Bible' is an NIV student addition, a King James Version, an Amplified version, and a new historical "So That's Why" Bible. I pray constantly when I do my Bible studies and cross reference between all of them, and now I have this wonderful forum and a host of internet study sources, and the conflicting statements I find are in all of them. I have no instances where God makes any conflicting or contradictory statements, but I could give you a list of where PEOPLE in the Bible conflict with their own words, with each other, and more often conflict with what God teaches. Paul's falling back on the Law, or more accurately Temple traditions to support his views on women is a perfect example of that. And I know what Jesus Himself preached on the Pharisees and their attachment to their Traditions; even over God's Laws. I thank you for your comments though. Truly. If I sounded a bit snippy, I apologize. Teaching me to accept well-intended rebukes is one of the things the Spirit is working on with me at this point in my spiritual growth. As for eating habits and dressing, that I wouldn't put under submission or wisdom actually. I think of it more as an example of "God said it". Genesis isn't giving a command to women, God is just telling them the way it's going to be. Like it or not, we will be ruled over by our desires for our husband. He didn't say it would be a choice. I think any woman if she is honest will admit that like it or not we find ourselves doing things, some simple like restaurants and clothing, but some profound, some even damaging (a woman staying with a wife-beater) because we are ruled by our desire/love for our husband. Having said that, I am not saying women should stay with a boyfriend or husband who beats them or that God wants them to do such a thing. Actually I think that horrible situation is exactly why women should stay celibate until they are married and then should choose their husband very carefully, meaning a Godly man who stands willingly under God's authority and who delights in being in God's presence. Such a man is not going to harm or hurt his wife or children, and should the unthinkable happen, the wife has recourse through God. God made us ruled over by this desire for our man, and if we pick the wrong one and live with him under the wrong circumstances we are still ruled by that Genesis/Godly decree. Feminists may say no man rules me, but an honest woman will look at all the ways she gives into the man she desires/loves and realize its true whether she likes it or not. The woman staying with the wife-beater is just the most extreme example of it. oh boy. Hope that one doesn't get me in trouble. Melanie |
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2 | Women speak in church? | 1 Cor 14:34 | EdB | 58604 | ||
Melanie First let me address the last part of your response. I think your right wives do give into the desires of their husbands from time to time. However that is a two way street I know I give in to the desires of my wife also. Again I think you missed what I was saying with Paul. Paul was telling a women to be in subjection with their husband and not to do or say anything that would tear him down in public. He says if you have a question ask it at home don't air you dirty laundry in public. I think church women knowing the husband is to be the head of the home often times make statements that reflect badly on the husband and his priestly role. sometimes this is in innocence and I suspect other times as a way of getting back at the husband. But more than once I have watched a husband twist and turn in his seat as his wife asks a question that clearly shouts hey you husband aren't doing your job at home. As for the food offered to idols your right the church of Jerusalem issued the decree don’t eat things offered to idols. Paul was saying what is an idol but a worthless piece of stone what harm can it do. Only the power an idol has is the authority we give it. Many times some of the meat in various cities was offered to idols and then taken to the meat market and sold along with the rest of the meat. Paul was saying it can’t hurt you so don’t worry is meat that was offered or not. Paul then cautions us that if a brother says that meat was offered to idols we shouldn’t eat as we make him stumble. Even though we know it has no power. I don’t see any conflict here Paul is simply stating if you know the meat is offered to idols fine don’t partake of it. If you don’t know don’t ask since idols have not power anyhow. I worry when you say you see people contradicting each other in the Bible, perhaps your not taking their statements in context. I have never found a conflict yet when I viewed the statement within proper context. EdB |
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3 | Women speak in church? | 1 Cor 14:34 | jesusfreak508@aol.com | 58614 | ||
I'm glad you're worrying, because that means you're praying for me, too. And if I'm praying for the Spirit to open my eyes and you're praying for the same thing, then that makes two of us in agreement! I love this forum! It has been such a Godsend! I tend to be extremely literal. I look at what you say here and I think, well, okay, if that's the way you look at it then that wouldn't be a contradiction. But it means that I have to subtly change my own definition of contradiction. So maybe I just need a better word to describe/define what I mean. I've already decided that conflicting was too harsh. So perhaps contradicting is as well. But I have to stand by the fact that I have to disagree with Paul when he says he has offended no one. I love him, now, but there was a time early in my spiritual awakening when I dismissed him entirely as completely offensive and a woman-hater. How awful it would have been if I hadn't kept praying and studying! Think of everything he has to offer that I would have missed. |
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4 | Women speak in church? | 1 Cor 14:34 | kalos | 58616 | ||
This is not a Bible bashing forum. However you rationalize it, when you "disagree" with the inspired writings of Paul (2 Tim 3:16), you are disagreeing with and seeking to undermine the authority of the Scriptures. Ask those posters who over time have proven themselves to be accurate and trustworthy in what they post. They would probably tell you that for every one minute they spend writing to the forum, they have spent a minimum of 60 minutes reading and studying the Bible. Go thou and do likewise. |
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