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NASB | 1 Corinthians 14:34 ¶ The women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | 1 Corinthians 14:34 ¶ the women should be silent in the churches, for they are not authorized to speak, but are to take a subordinate place, as the Law says. |
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Bible Note: Hello again Tim. Hopefully this will be a short post. But I leave that to the Spirit. What I did not know yesterday when I was being attacked as an "apostle basher" was some interesting bits of church history. In 352AD at the Council of Laodicea, the "new" church, (Catholic), it was decided that "One ought not to establish in the church the women called overseers." Hmmm, right? Who were "the women called overseers" if we accept the modern translating of these troubling verses of Paul? There wouldn't have been any such thing. Yet there obviously was. In 398 AD, the 4th Snod of Carthage said, "A woman, however learned and holy, may not presume to teach men in an assembly". Again, hmmmm. The way these things work, issues are brought up, debated and decisions reached are in the findings. If Paul in the earliest churches had determined that there would no such thing, why was it going on for the Catholic church to determine to stop it? 441AD, they also decided to "Let no one proceed to the ordination of deaconessess anymore". Anymore? Then in 517AD, they proclaim, "We abrogate completely..." then include "...the consecration of widows who are named deaconesses." following in 533AD with "No longer shall the blessing of deaconess be given, because of the weakness of the sex." No wonder they didn't want the Bible translated into common languages! Then you wait a few hundred years until the context and usage of the language itself has changed (i.e. Head being no longer used to imply "source" and now viewed as "authority"), and when finally Bibles are allowed to be circulated amongst more than the priesthood, that Greek has been transformed, and translated into Latin...... And don't anyone bothering to post to tell me it couldn't have happened. I live in a Christian country that was established by Christians, consecrated to the Redeemer by Christians, and even had a government CREATED by these Christians in such a way that no Christian sect could ever have authority over the others (our founders were persecuted Christians coming here to escape the persecution of OTHER Christians); yet here we are a few hundred years later and it's all been perverted into 'all religions are equal and protected from Christianity'! The Deceiver is clever and cunning, and truly totally depraved, and a few hundred years of step by step progress to an error that makes women feel unwelcome or inferior in Christ would be just his style. So there's the "source" of the error. I call him the Deceiver, and right here on the airways where he is said to have authority, I declare I am going to keep after this under the guidance of the Spirit until I have his smarmy head under my heel! I hope he already feels the headache from the crushing I pray to give him! The Word is infallible, but my spirit tells me that there is an error. I accept it could be mine and that it means just what it says in plain English, but I don't think so and now I feel like a hound on the scent of it. God is good! I do so love this stuff. So now I am off to the original Greek, to the times of Corinth and Ephesus. "Praying in the spirit, and in the mind. Singing in the spirit, and in the mind." Wish me bon voyage, dear Tim, and pray for me. I can think of one or two in this forum who hope my ship sinks! |