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NASB | 1 Corinthians 14:34 ¶ The women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | 1 Corinthians 14:34 ¶ the women should be silent in the churches, for they are not authorized to speak, but are to take a subordinate place, as the Law says. |
Bible Question:
Good Morning JesusFreak I wanted to let you know that I appreciate you posting this. I also appreciate you pointing out the "as also saith the law" in this verse. I have read this before and this is the first time I took notice of the reference to the law! :) Also wanted to let you know that I will be walking thru these scriptures myself and asking the Holy Spirit to led me that I may have a clearer understanding. I am wondering… In v 23, Paul talks about the whole church coming together and speaking with tongues. Then he says that if the unlearned or unbeliever come in, they would think the church mad. Then he talks about all prophesying and the unlearned or unbeliever being convinced of all (v24) and worshipping God (v25). Then down in v28, he says if there is no interpreter, let him that speak in a tongue keep silent in the church. Then he tells them they may prophesy one by one, that all may learn ad be exhorted (v31). Then he lets us know that the spirit of the prophet are subject to the prophet ("For the spirits of the prophets (the speakers in tongues) are under the speaker's control [and subject to being silenced as may be necessary]’ v 32 Amp) Then... :) he tells us that God is not the author of confusion. Then we have 'Let your women keep silence...' I am wondering if 1. The women were up speaking in tongues with no interpreter 2. The women were trying to prophesy while someone else was prophesying, thus causing confusion. 3. The women were asking questions (v35) 4. This chapter was addressed to only the men of the church (‘Let your women keep silence’) Goodness! The questions keep coming. :) Any insight others are led to share would be appreciated. And if my questions have already been answered somewhere else on this site, please forgive me :). Abba Father Bless… |
Bible Answer: Paul was dealing with an outpouring of Spirit in Corinth. The Pharisee in him wanted to control it and subject it to rules. His 'God is not the author of confusion' comment sounds so wise and noble, and he is ever quick to pull out his authority as an Apostle. 'You should listen to me even when I am not speaking from the Lord because I am one the Lord has found trustworthy' (1Cor 7:25) The authority he quotes though is Temple Law. He says Tongues are for the unbelievers. (1Cor 14:20-22). A surprise for Peter and the other 120 with him (Acts 1:15)--men and women, on the day of Pentacost to learn. Acts 2:4 says "All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit enabled them." Who was the unbeliever locked up in that house among them? Paul saw himself as THE apostle though. I don't buy the Christian to Christian gentle rebuke motive for him in the Peter incident either. Not with comments like 1Cor 15:9,10 "For I am the least of the apostles and do not even deserve to be called an apostle,.....But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace to me was not without effect. No, I worked harder than all of them..." Catholics call it the throne of Peter, but they take their doctrine straight from Paul. They love the rules and the 'you gotta come through me' attitude he held. He even says that if the Spirit gives any spiritual gifts to anyone that person should be ignored unless they acknowledge that what Paul says is the Lord's command. (1Cor 14:37) Have you ever wondered why God wouldn't let Paul go into certain areas to spread the Gospel? I've always got the impression it was because he would have done more harm than good. He was awfully full of himself. He loved the Lord above all else, and it just poured out of him in truly beautiful wonderful works, but sometimes he just couldn't get over himself and his upbringing. I'm glad he was a zealot for the Lord though. Jesus is so wonderful. He sure knows how to pick the right man for the job. But I just don't know why Paul should be the authority on dealing with outpourings of the Spirit in church. His letter to Corinth is taken as the only Gospel on it, but go back to Acts and Pentecost. Peter and his group got so wild, everyone thought they were drunk when they poured out onto the streets. He and the Eleven got up and celebrated this, using it as an opportunity to preach. You didn't read that he told anybody to shut up or that they should restrain themselves so "...all things should be done with regard to decency and propreity and in orderly fashion." (1Cor 14:40) Jesus tells us Peter was to be the rock His church was built upon. I adore Peter and I want to be a Christian like him. Paul is much too judgemental and rule-bound for me. He's a Pharisee. I love Paul. 1Cor 13 is one of my favorite chapters in the Bible. How could anyone think it was not written by someone in the grip of the Holy Spirit? But I have to remind myself that not everything that came from the apostles was of the Spirit. Peter himself was praised by Jesus in one moment as having had a revelation straight from God, and the next moment was being called the devil, and told to get away. An example of this with Paul, is that Jesus said if we want to come to the Father we have to come as little children, but Paul says, "...stop thinking like children. In regard to evil be infants, but in your thinking be adults." (1Cor 14:20,21), then he goes right on to quote the Law. A true Pharisee. And it was Jesus who warned us to listen to them, but don't be like them. A final comment about Paul. In 1Corin 15:5-8, he deliberately leaves out any mention that it was the women who walked with Jesus who were chosen to take the news to the Apostles that Jesus was risen. Matt, Mark, and Luke, all feel it is important to tell this. The only Gospel actually written by one of the Apostles goes further and says not only did angels appear to the women, but that Jesus Himself came to the sobbing Mary and basically said, "Woman, what are you doing?" (John 20:15) Read those verses. The angels had already come to instruct her, but Jesus, who had not yet even gone to His Father after His resurrection, was moved by His love for her to stop and comfort her himself. "Mary!" He said to her. Can't you just hear Him? In one word, he says, didn't I tell you about this? Am I not standing right here in front of you? now, get up and hush. Could He not have appeared just as easily first to Peter? Or John, "the disciple that He loved"? But He didn't. And the fact that He stopped on the way to His Father, still ceremonial clean (Don't touch me---), just to stop this cherished woman from grieving one moment longer, speaks to me of a love that is just immeasurable. Jesus loves men, but He cherishes women. Praise God! Thank you Jesus and I love you, too! |