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1 | Bad Arguments Against Calvinism | John 15:16 | Jesusman | 37859 | ||
Hello, You said: "God was not and is not obliged to save anyone. But because He is merciful, He chose to save some and pass by the rest." My reply: The question I must reply with is: Is this in accordance to God's stated Law? You said: "God in the person of the Holy Spirit, goes to The Fathers chosen (Elect; those of the promise) and regenerates their fallen nature by the gracious gift of faith. This new creation opens his eyes and recognizes his sinfulness, repents and falls on his knees beseeching Christ for salvation." My reply: So then, it isn't Man having faith in God? It's God having faith in Man? Is this biblical? You Said: "This is hard for us to accept. Nevertheless it is what the Bible teaches, cover to cover. Would a man be so bold as to summon God Almighty before the court of human reason and try Him for being injust. "Why did you make me this way?" It would be akin to a criminal trying a judge." My reply: So, God judges who he chooses and has mercy on who he chooses? Let me set up the situaion as it appears. We have God choosing who will and who will not be saved. We have the Holy Spirit going to those who have been chosen to recieve Salvation. We also have that only those who have been touched by the Holy Spirit will be Saved. Now, at the final judgement we have two people standing before God. One who was chosen to be saved, and the other who was not chosen to be saved. The Saved can go on into Heaven. However, the one who was not CHosen has every right to stand before God and say that it is God's fault that this person will go to Hell, not his own. The requirement for entering Heaven is whether or not you have been saved. This person had no chance to be saved. The Holy Spirit never approached him, nor was he offered the chance. So, the responcibility of this person's actions does not fall upon the Person himself, but upon God. Therefore, God is not Just. Do you see my point? If you are to follow Calvinism theology to it's natural, and logical conclusion, that is what you get. That is also why I disagree with calvinism to a degree. The Bible teaches that God is completely Just. To be Just, the Holy Spirit must approach every person with the opportunity for Salvation at least once. God, being Holy and righteous, is also bound to his stated word, which includes the Law. Therefore, Salvation must also comply with the Law as well as the New Testament. As Calvinism describes Salvation, it doesn't comply. Jesusman |
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2 | Bad Arguments Against Calvinism | John 15:16 | John Reformed | 37987 | ||
Dear Bruce, Your conclusion is based on the assumption that sinful man deserves something other than damnation. Is this what the Bible teaches? John |
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3 | Bad Arguments Against Calvinism | John 15:16 | Jesusman | 38119 | ||
Hello, My conclusions are based upon the assumptions that there is more to salvation than what is told to us in the Book of Romans. I know that sinners deserve Hell. I am not doubting that, nor am I trying to say anything different. I am saying that since God has decided extended his mercy to humanity, that he did so to all of mankind and not to the "elect" alone. I am saying that Salvation is a relationship between God and Man. I am saying that the offering of Salvation is where both God and Man exercise their free-wills together. I am not trying to promote "man-centered" theology, nor am I trying to promote "God-centered" Theology. I am trying to present a theological view that is both God and Man centered. Jesusman |
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