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1 | Bad Arguments Against Calvinism | John 15:16 | Jesusman | 37859 | ||
Hello, You said: "God was not and is not obliged to save anyone. But because He is merciful, He chose to save some and pass by the rest." My reply: The question I must reply with is: Is this in accordance to God's stated Law? You said: "God in the person of the Holy Spirit, goes to The Fathers chosen (Elect; those of the promise) and regenerates their fallen nature by the gracious gift of faith. This new creation opens his eyes and recognizes his sinfulness, repents and falls on his knees beseeching Christ for salvation." My reply: So then, it isn't Man having faith in God? It's God having faith in Man? Is this biblical? You Said: "This is hard for us to accept. Nevertheless it is what the Bible teaches, cover to cover. Would a man be so bold as to summon God Almighty before the court of human reason and try Him for being injust. "Why did you make me this way?" It would be akin to a criminal trying a judge." My reply: So, God judges who he chooses and has mercy on who he chooses? Let me set up the situaion as it appears. We have God choosing who will and who will not be saved. We have the Holy Spirit going to those who have been chosen to recieve Salvation. We also have that only those who have been touched by the Holy Spirit will be Saved. Now, at the final judgement we have two people standing before God. One who was chosen to be saved, and the other who was not chosen to be saved. The Saved can go on into Heaven. However, the one who was not CHosen has every right to stand before God and say that it is God's fault that this person will go to Hell, not his own. The requirement for entering Heaven is whether or not you have been saved. This person had no chance to be saved. The Holy Spirit never approached him, nor was he offered the chance. So, the responcibility of this person's actions does not fall upon the Person himself, but upon God. Therefore, God is not Just. Do you see my point? If you are to follow Calvinism theology to it's natural, and logical conclusion, that is what you get. That is also why I disagree with calvinism to a degree. The Bible teaches that God is completely Just. To be Just, the Holy Spirit must approach every person with the opportunity for Salvation at least once. God, being Holy and righteous, is also bound to his stated word, which includes the Law. Therefore, Salvation must also comply with the Law as well as the New Testament. As Calvinism describes Salvation, it doesn't comply. Jesusman |
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2 | Bad Arguments Against Calvinism | John 15:16 | John Reformed | 37882 | ||
Dear Bruce, Is this in accordance to God's stated Law? Yes, see Romans 9 So then, it isn't Man having faith in God? It's God having faith in Man? Is this biblical? No. You misunderstood my point. God is not obliged to be gracious to any of our filthy, wicked, God hating species! Just thank him for being gracious to you. So, God judges who he chooses and has mercy on who he chooses? I did'nt say it , Paul said it in Ro 9. I hate to be blunt, but Kings do not require acquiesense from rebellious subjects before He condemns them to death. They are rebels and will keep on rebelling. It's their natural desire. Only a miracle can change their wicked hearts. Good Night Bruce, John |
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3 | Bad Arguments Against Calvinism | John 15:16 | Jesusman | 37961 | ||
Hello, In my reply to Reformer Joe, I clarified my point. There are two posts total. They clarify what I was saying before. However, there is something I would like to comment on. You said: "I hate to be blunt, but Kings do not require acquiesense from rebellious subjects before He condemns them to death. They are rebels and will keep on rebelling. It's their natural desire. Only a miracle can change their wicked hearts." My reply: Kings are, however, bound to the statutes and Laws which they have made. Jesusman |
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4 | Bad Arguments Against Calvinism | John 15:16 | Reformer Joe | 37972 | ||
You have still failed to demonstrate that God not saving everyone is a violation of His law. The only ones who have violated God's law are God's subjects, and I see no provision in God's law which says that he must grant repentance and extend mercy to every single human being. God says without hesitation that He will show mercy to those whom He wishes. You called Romans 9 "infamous" in your other post. Does that mean that you wish it stricken from the Bible? You made no commentary on the words contained within the chapter, choosing instead to dismiss it with barely a mention. Ignoring what the Bible clearly says is what you accused Calnisnists of, so don't be guilty of that sin yourself! --Joe! |
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5 | Bad Arguments Against Calvinism | John 15:16 | Jesusman | 38099 | ||
I called Romans 9 "infamous" because I have yet to meet a Calvinist who didn't turn to that passage for proof. I am well aware of what it teaches. Jesusman |
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6 | Bad Arguments Against Calvinism | John 15:16 | Reformer Joe | 38103 | ||
Well, that is one place that the Calvinist turns for truth. Is that wrong to do? When I want to talk about salvation by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone, I turn to passages like Romans 4 and Ephesians 2:8,9 and John 14:6. Don't you? Doesn't make them "infamous" at all... --Joe! |
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