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1 | WHERE TO FIND ALL THE NAMES OF GOD | Ps 83:18 | Morant61 | 76454 | ||
Greetings Truthfinder! Allow me to touch upon your points in reverse order! 2) Firstborn: No matter how one spins it, the word 'other' is not in the text, nor is it required in the English translation. It has been added simply because the JW's want Jesus to be classified as a created being. This is exactly what the JW's accuse the main translations of doing, yet they do it themselves when convient. 1) No other gods. Before I address your individual examples, allow me to say this: It is clear in Scripture that many things are called 'gods'. People who make an idol, consider it to be a god, but it is not. Having said this, Is. 43:10 is perfectly clear that there is no other god, besides Jehovah. a) Is. 9:6 - This one is simple. This is not speaking of 'another god', but of Jehovah incarnate. b) Ps. 8:5 - This verse uses a different word than Is. 43:10, so it is not relevant to the question. c) Ps. 82:1 and 6 - Verse 6 also uses a different Hebrew word than Is. 43:10. Ps. 82:1 does use the same word. However, there are two issues involved with this verse. First of all, no one is entirely sure what it is to which the word refers. Secondly, the context is poetic. One cannot place a poetic statement over a direct statement of Jehovah in Is. 43:10. I listed for you several direct statments by Jehovah that there are no 'other' gods. Which are we to believe, Jehovah Himself or Jehovah's so called Witnesses? For myself, I'll take Jehovah's words as truth. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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2 | WHERE TO FIND ALL THE NAMES OF GOD | Ps 83:18 | Truthfinder | 76499 | ||
No other Almighty Gods, must be the accurate understanding of Is. 43:10 due to the other usages of gods in the Scriptures. You wrote: 1) No other gods.Before I address your individual examples, allow me to say this: It is clear in Scripture that many things are called 'gods'. People who make an idol, consider it to be a god, but it is not.Having said this, Is. 43:10 is perfectly clear that there is no other god, besides Jehovah.a) Is. 9:6 - This one is simple. This is not speaking of 'another god', but of Jehovah incarnate. (I give scriptural proof that this is referring to Jesus as a Mighty God.)Tim wrote: b) Ps. 8:5 - This verse uses a different word than Is. 43:10, so it is not relevant to the question. Yes, Ps 8:5 uses ‘elo him” and Is 43:10 uses ‘El’. Yet, you say it’s not relevant? Why both Hebrew words are recognized as totally equivalent for the English translation for “god”. Psalm 8:5, (“made ?? a little less than ´elo·him´ Heb) _____________.” Paul’s quotation of Ps 8:5’s “elohim” is translated to the Greek as “aggelous” ____________, at Hebrews 2:6-8.Is 43:10 “YOU are my witnesses,” is the utterance of Jehovah, “even my servant whom I have chosen, in order that YOU may know and have faith in me, and that YOU may understand that I am the same One. Before me there was no God** formed, and after me there continued to be none. 11 I—I am Jehovah, and besides me there is no savior.” ** “God.” Heb., ´El.Please note what I wrote: Among the Hebrew words that are translated “God” is ´El, probably meaning “Mighty One; Strong One.” (Ge 14:18) It is used with reference to Jehovah, to other gods, and to men. It is also used extensively in the makeup of proper names, such as Elisha (meaning “God Is Salvation”) and Michael (“Who Is Like God?”). In some places ´El appears with the definite article (ha·´El´, literally, “the God”) with reference to Jehovah, thereby distinguishing him from other gods. In Ge 46:3 ´El refers to Jehovah; 2Sa 22:31 likewise. At Isaiah 9:6 Jesus Christ is prophetically called ´El Gib·bohr´, “Mighty God” (not ´El Shad·dai´ [God Almighty], which is only applied to Jehovah as at Genesis 17:1).Yes, Ps 8:5 uses elo·him´; Ps 8:5 “You also proceeded to make him a little less than godlike ones,And with glory and splendor you then crowned him.”“Than godlike ones.” Heb., me· elo·him´; TLXXSyVg, “angels; messengers.”(continued) |
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3 | WHERE TO FIND ALL THE NAMES OF GOD | Ps 83:18 | Truthfinder | 76500 | ||
(Part 2)You wrote: c) Ps. 82:1 and 6 - Verse 6 also uses a different Hebrew word than Is. 43:10.Ps. 82:1 does use the same word. However, there are two issues involved with this verse. First of all, no one is entirely sure what it is to which the word refers. Secondly, the context is poetic. One cannot place a poetic statement over a direct statement of Jehovah in Is. 43:10.Ps. 82: 1 “God is stationing himself in the assembly of the Divine One;In the middle of the gods he judges”Here ´elo·him´ is used of men, human judges in Israel. Jesus quoted from this Psalm at John 10:34, 35. They were gods in their capacity as representatives of and spokesmen for Jehovah. Similarly Moses was told that he was to serve as “God” to Aaron and to Pharaoh atEx 4:16.The 1599 Geneva Study Bible Ps 82:1 «A Psalm of Asaph.» God standeth in the congregation of the a mighty; he judgeth among the gods. (a) The prophet shows that if princes and judges do not do their duty, God whose authority is above them will take vengeance on them. 1. congregation--(Compare Exodus 12:3, 16:1). of the mighty--that is, of God, of His appointment. the gods--or, "judges" (Exodus 21:6, 22:9), God's representatives.Commentary Critical and Explanatoryon the Whole Bible by Jamieson, Fausset, BrownVerses 1-5 We have here, I. God’s supreme presidency and power in all councils and courts asserted and laid down, as a great truth necessary to be believed both by princes and subjects (v. 1): God stands, as chief director, in the congregation of the mighty, the mighty One, in coetu fortis—in the councils of the prince, the supreme magistrate, and he judges among the gods, the inferior magistrates; both the legislative and the executive power of princes is under his eye and his hand. Observe here, 1. The power and honour of magistrates; they are the mighty. They are so in authority, for the public good (it is a great power that they are entrusted with), and they ought to be so in wisdom and courage. They are, in the Hebrew dialect, called gods; the same word is used for these subordinate governors that is used for the sovereign ruler of the world. They are elohim. Angels are so called both because they are great in power and might and because God is pleased to make use of their service in the government of this lower world; and magistrates in an inferior capacity are likewise the ministers of his providence in general, for the keeping up of order and peace in human societies, and particularly of his justice and goodness in punishing evil-doers and protecting those that do well. Matthew Henry Complete Commentaryon the Whole BibleYou wrote: I listed for you several direct statments by Jehovah that there are no 'other' gods. Which are we to believe, Jehovah Himself or Jehovah's so called Witnesses?For myself, I'll take Jehovah's words as truth.Taking the Bible as a whole I definitely believe Jehovah Himself, these Bible Commentators are with me on Ps. 82:1. The only conclusion is that there is only One Almighty God, plain and simple. Truthfinder |
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4 | WHERE TO FIND ALL THE NAMES OF GOD | Ps 83:18 | Morant61 | 76503 | ||
Greetings Truthfinder! Plain and simple! Is. 43:10 doesn't say that there is only one Almighty God, with many mighty gods running around in addition. It says, there are no other gods period. Jesus is God, not a god. In His own words, "...unless you believe that I AM, you will die in your sins" (John 8:24). This whole discussion is so typical of the kind of deception which cults will engage in to promote their false doctrines. 'No god' doesn't really mean 'no god' it only means 'some gods'. :-) My only prayer is that some reading this discussion will be shown the truth about Jehovah's Witnesses false claims concerning Jesus. Is. 43:10 is very plain and simple. It doesn't require a degree in Hebrew. It doesn't require ten pages of word studies to understand. Jehovah said there is no other 'god' besides me! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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