Subject: Apostles, Prophets? An Office for Today? |
Bible Note: I'm sorry I was not able to get back to you sooner... I read something interesting last night at work, around, 1829-1832, there was a Church in London founded by a man named Irving, they were known as Irvingites. He founded the Church of the bases of Prophets and Apostles but was very different, the Prophets were actually Prophetesses and the only revilation the proclaimed was through the commonly practiced "Speaking of Tounges", I don't remember which denomination class that would be, and since I can't remember, I won't guess, we're all familiar with it. But the biggest point is that these Prophetesses were above the Apostles and the self sustained and founding minister, Irving... No offence to women, but for females to have an authoritive position in leading the Church it is completely unBiblical, I'm sure we'll all familiar with 1 Corinthians. The office of a Prophetess is rather Biblical though, Arron's sister Miriam was a Prophetess, Ex.15:20... Needless to say these Prophetesses also went against one of the teachings of Paul, "Thou shalt not rebuke an Elder, but entreat him as a father." These women were damning the founder and minister Irving... Needless to say from all understanding from my reading, that Church collapsed... I will investigate their history as is it rather interesting... Justme, I agree with you on Gene Robinson, the thought is he's ever read Leviticus comes to mind :) and to boldly state that God's teachings and scriptures are wrong about sexuality is to say "If God is wrong about one thing, why can't he be wrong about another? or all things, or were these revelations truely devine?" Which is absolutly obsurd, that man has undermind the Lords authority and integrity when he has no Biblical support for his "Biblically Immorality" and still thinks he is worthy to speak on the things of God. He is absolutly unworthy of such a title. And then again, since when did God call his ministers by leting MEN "VOTE"!!! It truely is an abomination in all Biblical Teachings, a man must be called of God and ordained by the Laying on of Hands, the Bible says it... But then again... even though I have read it a few times, maybe I haven't "really read it" yet as an opposing argument. But I believe we argee on this issue... And I truely believe that our country and world is more Anti-Christian than in the days of the origanal Church, but less so from the "Non-Christians" Our MAJOR Anti-Christianity problems seem to flow from... "Christianity" Many denominations fight over doctrine and accuse each other of False Doctrines and False Prophets... becoming the "Accusers" Paul spoke of... Here are two examples of anti Christian litterature... Holy Terror, and The God Makers Holy Terror was written as an Anti-Born Again Christian work... and The God Makers as an Anti-LDS work... and upon reading the content of both books they are almost parellel in their accusations against the Born Again's and Mormon's... but upon discussing these with members of the Born Again faith and the LDS faith, these two books are complete exadurations and false teachings against these two Churches... and these books have self proclaimed Christian Authors... I think this is horrible, these are not the only examples I've seen, I've seen the Baptists curse the Mormon's, the Cathlics, Jehovah Witteness, 7th Day Advin, and the Southern Baptist against the... "General" Baptists... and other Church litterature back and forth, and when you compare what they say to a truely educated member of that faith, they testify that these things are not true... if these thigns are not true, why are they being printed against fellow Christians? Take it I know the LDS, Cathlic, 7th Day, and JW's do'nt fall under the typical term "Christian", but if they're so wrong, why be the Accusers? Won't the Lord bring order to his followers? |