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NASB | Hebrews 6:4 For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Hebrews 6:4 For [it is impossible to restore to repentance] those who have once been enlightened [spiritually] and who have tasted and consciously experienced the heavenly gift and have shared in the Holy Spirit, |
Subject: Heb6:4-6 Loosing salvation or what? |
Bible Note: I apologize if I'm not communicating this clearly. The answer to the apparent inconsistencies, that you did accurately quote from me, is that one possible solution is that the passage is not saying they have lost their salvation. I do in fact have an idea of how this might be resolved and I had from the start intended to post this after I had received some alternative views. With regards to not understanding the problem I must admit it seems that I am finding a way to make unclear something that should be very clear. I had thought that anybody who reads the passage could understand the complication. The passage -appears- to be making the following statements. There are people who... 1. Were saved. 2. Have fallen away 3. Can not return to repentence 4. Because they would need to recrucify christ to do so. If the above 4 points are to be understood as I just stated them, then "once saved, always saved" is shown false. I know no other way to more clearly state the problem within this verse. The IF/THEN statement I made is absolute and can't be contested. The only thing you can do is try to prove the IF part false. Which means that you must -show how- those 4 statements are not what that passage is actually meaning to say. Possible solutions are: 1. These terms are not referring to a saved person. 2. "Falling away" is not referring to loosing your salvation. These are not the only options most likely but the most obvious ones. However, here is the rub, if you think the author is NOT talking about saved people, or is not talking about loosing your salvation then you must explain what he IS talking about. What does he mean when he refers to "those who have partaken of the Holy Spirit" or "those who have fallen away." Just saying that its not saying those four statements because the result would be something we don't want to believe is insufficient. I do not know how to more clearly sate the problem. If this attempt does not make it clear and result in stimulating a productive discussion of the above I'll give what meager answer I've come up with on my own and simply not pursue it any further. P.S. The only reason I gave the discussion the pre-determined idea that you can't loose your salvation is because if you don't believe that then the passage is obviously not a problem at all. |