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NASB | Hebrews 6:4 For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Hebrews 6:4 For [it is impossible to restore to repentance] those who have once been enlightened [spiritually] and who have tasted and consciously experienced the heavenly gift and have shared in the Holy Spirit, |
Subject: Heb6:4-6 Loosing salvation or what? |
Bible Note: Dear Sir, I am in an in-depth bible study on Hebrews as we speak. Let me ask you a question. Does your christian journey ever get hard in the sense that people make fun of you for your belief in Christ Jesus as the only way. Have you ever been put in prison for your beliefs? Have you ever been beaten for your beliefs? Have your possessions ever been taken for your beliefs? Has your family ever disowned you for your beliefs? The book of Hebrews is an exhortation. The reason the book was written is found in Chapter 13:22. As I have said before people were going back under the law. Hebrews shows them (us, everyone, saved or unsaved) that that is not a good idea. He then goes on to teach us why not. If you do a word study on priest, high priest, you will see the contrast of men who were priests and why Jesus, our High priest is much better. One thing we can agree on is they are suffering. Many people have tried to help you understand but it has not satisfied you. May I suggest the only thing that will satisfy you is for you to do your own in-depth study of the book of Hebrews and the Holy Spirit may answer this one question you have. Precept.org has an indepth study. The facts I gave you were from a teacher who has spent hundreds of hours studying this book. Let us agree to disagree. Rome always persecuted christians sir. Did they not put our Lord to death? What about the apostles? Weren't they afraid of Rome? What about Paul? Didn't the Roman soldiers beat him one time? Couldn't they just take people's property as they pleased? The historical context is one of suffering. Hadn't Timothy been released from prison? As to your specific passage, I told you this sounds like christians but if you look in other books of the bible, when they talk about christians they use different language like justified to describe them. Partakers of the Holy Spirit. We know the Holy Spirit convicts of sin. Some one in another post explained how someone could enjoy the benefits of the Holy Spirit at a church service but not have a genuine faith. It talks in the book of Hebrews about those who do not enter Christ's rest those under Moses who wandered in the wilderness. It says they had hardened their hearts. They did not enter because of unbelief. It talks in Hebrews about "the shaking". The evidence of a christian is that they continue in the faith. The ones who can't take it cause the journey gets too tough they drop out. Were they christians? No they did not continue in the faith. When the shaking started they fell off. They did not have a genuine faith. The point I believe and the teaching I believe is that the author is telling the genuine Hebrew christians that it would be inappropriate to go back to the law, the old covenant. Why because of who Jesus is, what He did and where He is now. So my thought is He is telling them what we have in Christ and the message falls on the saved and unsaved. The saved will continue on in the faith. Those that professed Christ but did not have a genuine faith will fall off when the shaking starts. The life lesson is what Christ has done for us. He is our High Priest. Look no further. He is the way, the truth, the life. I think at this point in my study of Hebrews and I am on Chapter Four by the way, that the application is made by the individual. If I am saved and I go back under the law, which by the way, some churches today, do that, the author is saying in essence thats not appropriate. If I am not saved, I can be saved if I put my faith and trust in Christ. When the shaking starts, I look to Christ, my High Priest, to help me. You speak as if suffering is a slight thing. It is not. Christians need encouragement. It is said that there are more martyrs for Christ today than in the history of the church by Barna Research. Persecution is enough to discourage and cause many to go backwards instead of forwards. I personally and I hope you are not offended believe you have to look at the whole book to understand it and those verses have to be understood in the context of what is being taught in Hebrews; the contrast of the better covenant to understand these verses you have pointed out. I think your zeroing in on them too much and doing it that way does cause too many problems. Blessing - Val |