Prior Book | Prior Chapter | Prior Verse | Next Verse | Next Chapter | Next Book | Viewing NASB and Amplified 2015 | |
NASB | 1 Timothy 2:4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | 1 Timothy 2:4 who wishes all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge and recognition of the [divine] truth. |
Subject: Predestination question? |
Bible Note: I think you misunderstand my point. You are arguing that faith is the means of escape from condemnation, and I agree completely. However, being born of Adam in our natural birth, we are automatically condemned. We are not born in some state of "potential condemnation," on a fence between condemnation and salvation. There are too many verses which indicate that those represented by Adam (i.e. the unsaved) are already in a state of condemnation (e.g. John 3:18; Ephesians 2:5) and we are brought from the condemnation in which we stand through our conversion to Christ (Colossians 1:13-14). Therefore, until one receives Christ, he is automatically in a state of condemnation. I believe Romans 5:18 teaches that. My problem comes when someone asserts that Adam's transgression resulted in ACTUAL condemnation for every single human being, but Christ's obedience results in POTENTIAL justification for every single human being. That ruins the whole parallel in the verse. To be consistent in the verse, one has to either believe in universalism (that everyone will be justified, an argument that some make using this verse); or else come up with a very good explanation as to why the "all men" in both clauses must refer to the same group of people but that one result (condemnation) is automatic and actual but that the other result (justification) is potential and must be activated by the human being to take effect. --Joe! |